2015 November Sales Thread

[sweettalk]

it bums me out saying goodbye to some of these mares. serious breeding question, why aren't the us breeders more aggressive in this sale?

[Flanders]

A.P. Gold, an unraced stallion prospect by Indy out of a full sister to Perfect Soul for $20,000. I wonder where he ends up?

Jellystone Farm, whoever that is

Looking at their past auction results, they've been active since 2013. Sometimes they buy mares in the $150k - $200k range and then keep them for about a year and sell them and the resulting foals(as yearlings), mostly for losses. They've mostly consigned with Hunter Valley Farm. The foals listed breeder is Jellystone Holdings LLC(KY).

[lurkey mclurker]

A.P. Gold, an unraced stallion prospect by Indy out of a full sister to Perfect Soul for $20,000. I wonder where he ends up?

Jellystone Farm, whoever that is

...Yogi Bear??

[Flanders]

it bums me out saying goodbye to some of these mares. serious breeding question, why aren't the us breeders more aggressive in this sale?

That isn't a question anyone here is really going to be able to give you an answer. Because only the US breeders truly know why they didn't bid. We can speculate why.
Perhaps the people in the market for a mare only want to spend so much, or they don't feel its worthwhile to spend millions on one mare when they could get a couple for the same amount of money, probably with a similar page but not the race record. Or they are looking for something very specific, certain bloodlines, or want to focus on trying to get a mare or two they really want. The Keeneland sale starts tomorrow so lots of other mares to be had.

I was surprised that the prices were low on some of the mares. Some of the RNAs surprised me. Some of the prices surprised me.

[bare it all]

it bums me out saying goodbye to some of these mares. serious breeding question, why aren't the us breeders more aggressive in this sale?

That isn't a question anyone here is really going to be able to give you an answer. Because only the US breeders truly know why they didn't bid. We can speculate why.
Perhaps the people in the market for a mare only want to spend so much, or they don't feel its worthwhile to spend millions on one mare when they could get a couple for the same amount of money, probably with a similar page but not the race record. Or they are looking for something very specific, certain bloodlines, or want to focus on trying to get a mare or two they really want. The Keeneland sale starts tomorrow so lots of other mares to be had.

I was surprised that the prices were low on some of the mares. Some of the RNAs surprised me. Some of the prices surprised me.

I think it's been discussed about the Japanese buyers having this "unlimited" bottom of cash for some reason or another. ie, they are using half their money and half gov't funds? I can't recall the exact details but perhaps some of those who are more versed can weigh in.

[Northport]

I thought Japanese breeders were subsidized, but I was informed - by Tachyon, I believe - that that is in no way true. I think the Shadai Group has their unlimited budget due to the ginormous monopoly they have had on the Japanese breeding industry. They have been standing the country's top stallions for the last 20+ years, and even when they spend millions on importing broodmares, they quickly recoup their losses by selling the resulting offspring at their own Select Yearling Sale. Within 3 years of the broodmare's purchase, the mare (usually) has already paid for herself.

[Izvestia]

I think the sale just didn't have as many big names in it. Some good racemares, yes. But the pedigree + race record weren't as strong as we've seen. My opinion, of course.

I also saw a photo of Stephanie's Kitten on Twitter, and I have to say she isn't great looking. She looks back-at-the knee and stands under behind. That definitely didn't bother her racing (although turf is more forgiving for those faults), but for that price - can you ignore those faults?

[bare it all]

I thought Japanese breeders were subsidized, but I was informed - by Tachyon, I believe - that that is in no way true. I think the Shadai Group has their unlimited budget due to the ginormous monopoly they have had on the Japanese breeding industry. They have been standing the country's top stallions for the last 20+ years, and even when they spend millions on importing broodmares, they quickly recoup their losses by selling the resulting offspring at their own Select Yearling Sale. Within 3 years of the broodmare's purchase, the mare (usually) has already paid for herself.

Ah, ok. I was under the impression they had subsidies or something like that as well.

But yes, when you make money hand over fist on the breeding and sales, it's probably not that hard to buy whatever mare your heart desires.

Which, what has happened to the Sheikh? He isn't spending nearly as much as he used to and it hurts a bit.

[mariasmon]

I think the sale just didn't have as many big names in it. Some good racemares, yes. But the pedigree + race record weren't as strong as we've seen. My opinion, of course.

I also saw a photo of Stephanie's Kitten on Twitter, and I have to say she isn't great looking. She looks back-at-the knee and stands under behind. That definitely didn't bother her racing (although turf is more forgiving for those faults), but for that price - can you ignore those faults?

Her dam was also in the sale and she is crooked. So people could see that, as well.

[bare it all]

2nd horse in the ring Hip 7 - Bijou. First of the dispersal... $750k.

[mariasmon]

2nd horse in the ring Hip 7 - Bijou. First of the dispersal... $750k.

Approximately half what they paid for her as a short yearling....

[CoronadosQuest]

Don't Tell Sophia sold for $1.2 million and was sold to Yoshida

[Treve]

89, Let Faith Arise in foal to Tapit goes for $2,100,000

Can't believe anyone paid that much for such a short-legged, dumpy little mare, G1 winner or not.

I'm trying to figure that out too. She doesn't have a particularly sexy pedigree. She sold for $925,000 last year. What's the difference? being in foal to Tapit???

That's twice in 2 years Stephanie's Kitten RNA'd for a bit under her reserve. How much you wanna bet those weren't live bids and Ramsey was boosting her up?

I guess so
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -keeneland

[Treve]

Hip 50, Embur's Song for 900 000$

[Treve]

Hip 51 a MdO colt by Emma's Encore shares a birthdate with me

(ETA: 475 000$)

[Treve]

This grey MdO 4 year old filly is stunning - and she deserves a name.

[Flanders]

I thought Japanese breeders were subsidized, but I was informed - by Tachyon, I believe - that that is in no way true. I think the Shadai Group has their unlimited budget due to the ginormous monopoly they have had on the Japanese breeding industry. They have been standing the country's top stallions for the last 20+ years, and even when they spend millions on importing broodmares, they quickly recoup their losses by selling the resulting offspring at their own Select Yearling Sale. Within 3 years of the broodmare's purchase, the mare (usually) has already paid for herself.

Ah, ok. I was under the impression they had subsidies or something like that as well.

But yes, when you make money hand over fist on the breeding and sales, it's probably not that hard to buy whatever mare your heart desires.

Which, what has happened to the Sheikh? He isn't spending nearly as much as he used to and it hurts a bit.

He owns a ton of horses. He doesn't need to buy many anymore.

[Treve]

Hard Not To Like (Hip 79) 2.2 million so far

[Treve]

Hard Not To Like (Hip 79) 2.2 million so far

Sold.

Now Hip 81, a Pioneerof the Nile weanling out of Heavenly Vision (half to Cairo Prince)

240 000$

[mariasmon]

Hard Not To Like (Hip 79) 2.2 million so far

Dattt Stable is the buyer, so I expect her to board at Denali.