2016 Stallion Fees

BaroqueAgain1 · Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:22 pm

Even though he got bumped up from last year, I have a feeling that $15,000 for Girolamo may turn out to be a bargain.

Vandalay · Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:46 pm

Darley's stud fees are realistic, unlike a certain other major stud farm (cough*winstar*cough)

Treve · Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:45 pm

BlindLucky wrote: Medaglia d'Oro - $150,000

I mean, considering that in the BC Juvenile Fillies the top two runners are his daughter and granddaughter, I'm surprised they didn't even wait until after the BC for an additional bump as a sire and broodmare sire.

Treve · Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:47 pm

Northport wrote:I know $45,000 isn't exactly chump change, but Hard Spun and Street Sense seem like good deals at that price

Considering what Pioneerof the Nile was standing for this season, and now next year... yes, it is practically a bargain.

Twingo · Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:52 pm

Elusive Quality should stand around 20-25 K

He is very poor in the last 2-3 yars, but Darley still selling him on Smarty Jones', Quality Road's record.

Bad results on the track, bad results in the sales. His offsprings only in book 2.3.4...

Twingo · Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:27 pm

covered only 66 mares at $40,000 in 2015. How many mares he will get in the next year for the same price? So many young exciting stallions between 15-25K.

strange decision by Darley

Treve · Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:21 pm

Twingo wrote:covered only 66 mares at $40,000 in 2015. How many mares he will get in the next year for the same price? So many young exciting stallions between 15-25K.

strange decision by Darley

Simple, 66 x 40 000$ = 2.64 million$
Even if they brought his price down to the same range as the many young exciting stallions between 15 and 25k, he may simply get more competition in the same range, less mares. At 20k, he would need to cover 132 mares to equal his 2.64 million$ earnings from 2015.

Now, if you add to the fact that he's not been doing well in sales or on the track, doubling the number of mares covered would only risk making his numbers look even more abysmal. He doesn't need more mares, he needs better suited/fitting mares if you want to have him do well - but who is gonna risk their good mares on him? I'm sure if someone has a mare that would be an exceptional match they could negotiate with Darley anyhow. But until that individual comes along, I would think Darley is simply cutting their losses and looking after their bottom line by trying to break his fall as much as possible. They aren't gonna be taking huge risks imo. It's not like their roster is dependent on his success.

Northport · Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:27 pm

Treve wrote:
Twingo wrote:covered only 66 mares at $40,000 in 2015. How many mares he will get in the next year for the same price? So many young exciting stallions between 15-25K.

strange decision by Darley
Simple, 66 x 40 000$ = 2.64 million$
Even if they brought his price down to the same range as the many young exciting stallions between 15 and 25k, he may simply get more competition in the same range, less mares. At 20k, he would need to cover 132 mares to equal his 2.64 million$ earnings from 2015.

Now, if you add to the fact that he's not been doing well in sales or on the track, doubling the number of mares covered would only risk making his numbers look even more abysmal. He doesn't need more mares, he needs better suited/fitting mares if you want to have him do well - but who is gonna risk their good mares on him? I'm sure if someone has a mare that would be an exceptional match they could negotiate with Darley anyhow. But until that individual comes along, I would think Darley is simply cutting their losses and looking after their bottom line by trying to break his fall as much as possible. They aren't gonna be taking huge risks imo. It's not like their roster is dependent on his success.

He's also going on 23, so they probably aren't too worried if his book stays in the double digits

bare it all · Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:34 am

I think Street Boss at $12,500 is quite a deal. I doubt he will light up the sales, but I think he is going to be a useful sire type of sprinters/milers for dirt and grass. I love his pedigree (Street Cry out of an Ogygian mare) and how well he can outcross to almost all the top American pedigrees.

Twingo · Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:38 pm

Treve wrote:
Twingo wrote:covered only 66 mares at $40,000 in 2015. How many mares he will get in the next year for the same price? So many young exciting stallions between 15-25K.

strange decision by Darley
Simple, 66 x 40 000$ = 2.64 million$
Even if they brought his price down to the same range as the many young exciting stallions between 15 and 25k, he may simply get more competition in the same range, less mares. At 20k, he would need to cover 132 mares to equal his 2.64 million$ earnings from 2015.

from 66 mares, 20 are probably from Darley and Shadwell.

I don't think he can get 60 mares for that price next year.

Izvestia · Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:48 pm

Imagining $7500
Bourbon Courage $5000

Vandalay · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:31 am

Love imagining's pedigree,..since Not for Love is gone, MD needs a standout stallion, maybe he's the one...

And for what it's worth,..here's Taylor Made's 2016 fees

Astrology - $6,500

Graydar - $15,000

Northern Afleet -$ 6,500

Old Fashioned - $6,500

Izvestia · Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:28 am

Imagining has a pedigree that screams Maryland sire.

I think he will be a very good sire just like Not For Love. Has that same female family - it's perfect.

carole · Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:27 pm

And now the wait begins for the fee announcement of American Pharoah. I think once that's released, Empire Maker's fee will be released too.

Retrospectiv · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:08 pm

carole wrote:And now the wait begins for the fee announcement of American Pharoah. I think once that's released, Empire Maker's fee will be released too.

Depending on how Gainesway prices him, EM may be the bargain of the three. POTN's fee is outrageous, given that AP is a freak and his 2nd best performer on the year is a Gr 2 winner in INDIA. 3rd best runner won a stakes race in Indiana.....Talk about milking that one....

Twingo · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:25 pm

POTN's fee is set for a correction. ($125,000 before BC)

and Super Saver also (Runhappy)

Acadiana · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:28 pm

Twingo wrote:POTN's fee is set for a correction. ($125,000 before BC)

I wonder how high they'll go? $150,000? $125,000 was too much...

Starine · Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:57 am

So how much do you guys think American Pharoah will stand for? (Not should stand for, but will.)

Ballerina · Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:45 am

Treve wrote:
BlindLucky wrote: Medaglia d'Oro - $150,000
I mean, considering that in the BC Juvenile Fillies the top two runners are his daughter and granddaughter, I'm surprised they didn't even wait until after the BC for an additional bump as a sire and broodmare sire.

Same thoughts here.

Treve · Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:45 am

Ballerina wrote:
Treve wrote:
BlindLucky wrote: Medaglia d'Oro - $150,000
I mean, considering that in the BC Juvenile Fillies the top two runners are his daughter and granddaughter, I'm surprised they didn't even wait until after the BC for an additional bump as a sire and broodmare sire.
Same thoughts here.

Sire 1, Broodmare sire 2, I wonder if they will bump his fee up or keep it at 150k.

2016 Stallion Fees

Leading Freshmen Sire 2016 by number of winners