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Calumet
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:47 am
by Akitaperson
Theres 13 stallions at that farm according to bloodhorse and I don't recall seeing any of there foals in sales or mentioned on the track. Though I could be missing them. The stallions don't seem to cover large numbers (not complaining about that) but they do have foals out there.
I know calumet is next to impossible to visit or get information from. But yet I don't see folks talking about the stallions standing at Calumet, not like ones at say Winstar or Ashford.
Even when I follow the sales I don't notice Calumet buying any horses, even at the breeding stock sales. Though I did see them trying to sell those 3 stallions.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:31 pm
by Flanders
They do buy and sell horses all the time. This year they've bought 14, last year they bought 34. They could also buy more with agents, not using the Calumet name. They buy all ranges, weanlings, yearlings, 2yos, broodmares, horses of racing age, just depends on the year what they buy.
There isn't much to say about the stallions that stand there as they aren't used much. They barely use their stallions themselves. When they cover 0-30 mares, the chances they get any type of decent runner is extremely low. The vast majority are covering 0-10, its common for them to not cover any mares for a year or two. Then just cause they cover 30 mares doesn't mean they are getting 30 foals. We can look at the 2022 breeding/2023 foaling stats and it says Oxbow only got 33% live foals and Keen Ice got 52%. If they don't have foals, they can't get runners. If they can't get runners, breeders aren't going to use them and no one is going to talk about them. Which leads to them not being bred to and just continues the circle. Also just because of their extremely low foal numbers, they don't have many(if any) going through sales.
This was 2023:
Bal a Bali - 4
Big Blue Kitten - 1
Bravazo - 6
Channel Cat - 10
Hence - 0 (has never bred a mare and has been at stud for 2 years)
Hightail - 33
Keen Ice - 30
Mr. Z - 0
Oxbow - 21
Producer - 0
Raison d'Etat - 1
Ransom the Moon - 11
Real Solution - 4
True Timber - 2
For 2024 they moved Lexitonian from Lane's End. And they sold Hence, Mr. Z and I assume Raison d'Etat as he has an export(no clue where he ended up). If we ignore that English Channel stood there as he was well established before he moved to Calumet. I can think of Hot Rod Charlie(Oxbow), Coach Rocks(Oxbow), Rich Strike(Keen Ice), and Mongolian Groom(Hightail) that were sired by their stallions. I could add Fluffy Socks(Slumber) but they sold him for $1.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:07 pm
by Akitaperson
Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:31 pm
They do buy and sell horses all the time. This year they've bought 14, last year they bought 34. They could also buy more with agents, not using the Calumet name. They buy all ranges, weanlings, yearlings, 2yos, broodmares, horses of racing age, just depends on the year what they buy.
There isn't much to say about the stallions that stand there as they aren't used much. They barely use their stallions themselves. When they cover 0-30 mares, the chances they get any type of decent runner is extremely low. The vast majority are covering 0-10, its common for them to not cover any mares for a year or two. Then just cause they cover 30 mares doesn't mean they are getting 30 foals. We can look at the 2022 breeding/2023 foaling stats and it says Oxbow only got 33% live foals and Keen Ice got 52%. If they don't have foals, they can't get runners. If they can't get runners, breeders aren't going to use them and no one is going to talk about them. Which leads to them not being bred to and just continues the circle. Also just because of their extremely low foal numbers, they don't have many(if any) going through sales.
This was 2023:
Bal a Bali - 4
Big Blue Kitten - 1
Bravazo - 6
Channel Cat - 10
Hence - 0 (has never bred a mare and has been at stud for 2 years)
Hightail - 33
Keen Ice - 30
Mr. Z - 0
Oxbow - 21
Producer - 0
Raison d'Etat - 1
Ransom the Moon - 11
Real Solution - 4
True Timber - 2
For 2024 they moved Lexitonian from Lane's End. And they sold Hence, Mr. Z and I assume Raison d'Etat as he has an export(no clue where he ended up). If we ignore that English Channel stood there as he was well established before he moved to Calumet. I can think of Hot Rod Charlie(Oxbow), Coach Rocks(Oxbow), Rich Strike(Keen Ice), and Mongolian Groom(Hightail) that were sired by their stallions. I could add Fluffy Socks(Slumber) but they sold him for $1.
I forgot Rick Strike was by Keen Ice, same with Hot Rod Rod Charlie. How does Calumet get away with allowing some stallions to not cover any mares (like Hence)?
Can't forget either they allowed a crippled horse to live and be sold on so she could carry foals
Re: Calumet
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:34 pm
by Flanders
The owner is a billionaire. So apparently it doesn't matter to him. It has to be a tax write off for him, I can't see any way the farm makes money.
In my opinion, the farm has done a lot of baffling things at its best and horrible things at its worst. First the stallions all used to be extremely overpriced, I mean they probably still are. For example, he bought Raison d'Etat for 140k at KEENOV 2012, raced him for a year and then he entered stud for 15k. A G3Spw for 15k. So they hurt the stallions careers by overpricing them and they stayed that way for a long time. They'd also move their stallions from Kentucky to a regional market for a year, then back and forth.
The farm used to semi-support their own stallions, maybe they'd get 20-30 mares but that ended years ago. Then the churning out horses that sell for 1k. He buys mares for not millions but hundreds of thousands, breeds them til they start getting older then sells them for cheap(like 2k and under). Putting older mares through sales, I'm talking in foal mares that are 19/20+. Breeding the crippled mare. Breeding Garimpeiro to foal at 26. Randomly buying colored thoroughbreds to breed to his mares and stallions. Then there was this....
https://twitter.com/TheBridgeSanct1/sta ... 2915051995 I think we can all guess who her last known owner(and owner of record on the JC) was if I'm putting her in here. Then Musketier who he tried to sell at one of the auctions, got guilt tripped into withdrawing then he just disappeared. Someone said he died later that year but he doesn't have a death report. I'm sure there are many other things I forgot, these are the ones I remember.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:55 pm
by mahubah
I wish he'd send Bal a Bali back to Brazil. That's a very good horse having his stud career essentially wasted, and I'm sure he would be appreciated in his native country as his sire Put It Back passed on in 2021 after winning three Mossoro Trophies as "Stallion of the Year." The female family is quite a good one, too.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:06 pm
by ForTheThrill
I loved Musketier when he was racing. I was so upset when I saw he went to Calumet and then went poof.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:08 am
by mariasmon
Big Blue Kitten is subfertile. He got a decent number of mares his first couple of years at stud. It's easy to understand why he's not used. I wish they'd just pension him.
2016: 93 mares bred, 49 live foals in 2017, 53%
2017: 68 mares bred, 29 live foals in 2018, 43%
2018: 28 mares bred, 9 live foals in 2019, 32%
2019: 10 mares bred, 3 live foals in 2020, 30%
2020: 0 mares bred
2021: 2 mares bred, 0 live foals in 2022, 0%
2022: 2 mares bred, 0 live foals in 2023, 0%
2023: 1 mare bred, no 2024 statistics available, obviously
His best offspring, Cellist, came from the 2018 crop. He's a Calumet homebred and won his 2nd G3 race last weekend. He seems to be a bit cuckoo, so I get why he was gelded.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:41 am
by sweettalk
this farm feels cursed.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:13 pm
by Izvestia
Oxbow’s Tuz a Calumet-bred wins Golden Shaheen.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... en-shaheen
I guess if you try a zillion times, you’ll get a good one.
Re: Calumet
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:40 am
by RachelAlexandra24
Akitaperson wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:07 pm
Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:31 pm
They do buy and sell horses all the time. This year they've bought 14, last year they bought 34. They could also buy more with agents, not using the Calumet name. They buy all ranges, weanlings, yearlings, 2yos, broodmares, horses of racing age, just depends on the year what they buy.
There isn't much to say about the stallions that stand there as they aren't used much. They barely use their stallions themselves. When they cover 0-30 mares, the chances they get any type of decent runner is extremely low. The vast majority are covering 0-10, its common for them to not cover any mares for a year or two. Then just cause they cover 30 mares doesn't mean they are getting 30 foals. We can look at the 2022 breeding/2023 foaling stats and it says Oxbow only got 33% live foals and Keen Ice got 52%. If they don't have foals, they can't get runners. If they can't get runners, breeders aren't going to use them and no one is going to talk about them. Which leads to them not being bred to and just continues the circle. Also just because of their extremely low foal numbers, they don't have many(if any) going through sales.
This was 2023:
Bal a Bali - 4
Big Blue Kitten - 1
Bravazo - 6
Channel Cat - 10
Hence - 0 (has never bred a mare and has been at stud for 2 years)
Hightail - 33
Keen Ice - 30
Mr. Z - 0
Oxbow - 21
Producer - 0
Raison d'Etat - 1
Ransom the Moon - 11
Real Solution - 4
True Timber - 2
For 2024 they moved Lexitonian from Lane's End. And they sold Hence, Mr. Z and I assume Raison d'Etat as he has an export(no clue where he ended up). If we ignore that English Channel stood there as he was well established before he moved to Calumet. I can think of Hot Rod Charlie(Oxbow), Coach Rocks(Oxbow), Rich Strike(Keen Ice), and Mongolian Groom(Hightail) that were sired by their stallions. I could add Fluffy Socks(Slumber) but they sold him for $1.
I forgot Rick Strike was by Keen Ice, same with Hot Rod Rod Charlie. How does Calumet get away with allowing some stallions to not cover any mares (like Hence)?
Can't forget either they allowed a crippled horse to live and be sold on so she could carry foals
Which mare was that?
Re: Calumet
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:28 am
by Flanders
Re: Calumet
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 7:21 pm
by Starine
Calumet Farm's American classic winner Oxbow also had an important weekend, with his gelded son Tuz earning $1.16 million for winning the $2 million Dubai Golden Shaheen (G1) for Dakki Stable and trainer Bhupat Seemar, who also trains Laurel River. The win raised Oxbow's year to date progeny earnings to $1,715,119 and propelled him from 137 to 31 on the general leading sires list.
Tuz, bred by Calumet, is Oxbow's first black-type winner for the year and his sixth career graded stakes winner. Oxbow is a 14-year-old son of Awesome Again who won the 2013 Preakness Stakes (G1) and was runner-up in the Belmont Stakes (G1). Tuz is the first stakes winner produced by the winning Pulpit mare Suede Shoe, who has produced four other winners.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -mineshaft
Re: Calumet
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:03 pm
by RachelAlexandra24