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235 yearlings have been catalogued for the sale. 47 are part of their sires' first-crops.

[ Stallions with first yearlings ]
→ Authentic:
#8 f. o/o Blue Gallina (½ to G3W Flat Out Speed);
#9 c. o/o Brandy (dam is ½ to G1P Rally Cry);
#56 c. o/o Golden Domer (fam. of Mine That Bird);
#68 c. o/o Home of the Blues (dam is ½ to champion female sprinter Informed Decision);
#81 c. o/o Irish Blessing (dam is ½ to the dam of Leofric, fam. of National Treasure);
#83 f. o/o Kid Majic (dam of Canadian champion Miss Mischief, fam. of J P's Gusto and of Letruska);
#139 f. o/o Rebelle (fam. of Soothsay and of Justify);
#159 f. o/o She'samericanmade (fam. of Life is Good);
#161 f. o/o Sine Wave (dam is G3W);
#163 c. o/o Slew's Quality (½ to Shamrock Rose);
#169 c. o/o Southern Ring (dam is MG3W);
#183 c. o/o Supreme (½ to Silver State, 2nd dam is full to Monarchos);
#190 f. o/o Tapit for Free (dam is full to G1W/MG1P Ring Weekend);
#218 c. o/o Wicked Lick;
#221 c. o/o Wine Princess (dam is G2W/G1P, 2nd dam is Azeri);
#227 f. o/o Achalaya (½ to Casa Creed);

→ Complexity:
#71 f. o/o Hudson River Gal;

→ Global Campaign:
#180 c. o/o Sugar Reef;

→ Gunnevera:
#37 c. o/o Emotional Roar;

→ Honor A.P.:
#99 c. o/o Luckycall;

→ Improbable:
#14 f. o/o Catch My Drift;
#91 c. o/o Lemon d'Oro;
#98 f. o/o Love Theway Youare (½ to G3W Summer in Saratoga, dam is G1P);
#235 c. o/o Azalea Belle;

→ Instagrand:
#52 c. o/o Garden District (dam is ½ to Medal Count);

→ McKinzie:
#12 f. o/o Buy Me a Rose;
#21 c. o/o Classy Act (fam. of multiple champion Rainbows for Life and of champion 2yo filly Tempera);
#63 f. o/o Harlan's Honor;
#85 c. o/o Koala Queen (fam. of Collected and of Blushing Groom);
#102 c. o/o Mapit (fam. of Majestic Warrior, 4th dam is Dream Supreme);
#134 f. o/o Queens Embrace (fam. of Roses in May);
#141 c. o/o Renda (½ to MG1W Rock Fall);
#162 f. o/o Sky Copper;
#187 c. o/o Take Charge Angel (dam is ½ to Cave Rock);
#207 c. o/o Violent Times;
#212 c. o/o Waverly Place (4th dam is Winning Colors);
#234 f. o/o Awesome Marquesa;

→ Tiz the Law:
#93 c. o/o Life Starts (3rd dam is full to Serena's Song);

→ Tom's d'Etat:
#15 f. o/o Catherinethegreat;

→ Vekoma:
#78 c. o/o Inconclusive;
#82 f. o/o Joint Return (dam is G1P);
#173 c. o/o Star of the Empire (dam is ½ to G1W/MG1P Nereid);

→ Volatile:
#19 f. o/o Clarendon Fancy (fam. of Girvin/Midnight Bourbon);
#94 c. o/o Light of the Nile (dam is ½ to Pioneerof the Nile);

→ War of Will:
#42 c. o/o Excuses Begone;
#124 c. o/o Pappascat (½ to Pappacap);
#133 c. o/o Queen of Roses (fam. of Mor Spirit).

Beholder's colt by Curlin is also (supposedly) selling as Hip #165.

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:48 pm Beholder's colt by Curlin is also (supposedly) selling as Hip #165.

I'll believe it when I see it. How much do you think his reserve will be there

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:04 pm

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:48 pm Beholder's colt by Curlin is also (supposedly) selling as Hip #165.

I'll believe it when I see it. How much do you think his reserve will be there

$1.5-2M.

HB1994 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:09 pm

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:04 pm

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:48 pm Beholder's colt by Curlin is also (supposedly) selling as Hip #165.

I'll believe it when I see it. How much do you think his reserve will be there

$1.5-2M.

can they get that much with her record as a broodmare, though? sure she now has a G3W, but in general...

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:43 pm

HB1994 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:09 pm

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:04 pm

I'll believe it when I see it. How much do you think his reserve will be there

$1.5-2M.

can they get that much with her record as a broodmare, though? sure she now has a G3W, but in general...

Whats the point of entering the sale and then not going? Or if they are there stressing the horse out with traveling only not to sell it

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:43 pm

HB1994 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:09 pm

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:04 pm

I'll believe it when I see it. How much do you think his reserve will be there

$1.5-2M.

can they get that much with her record as a broodmare, though? sure she now has a G3W, but in general...

She only has had 3 foals to race so I would say easily. But it would all come down to, does he vet clean and look good. Cause as we saw with Leslie's Lady's 2017 MDO colt, if they don't look good and vet well, they don't get bid on. But if they leave him in the sale and if he ticks all the boxes, I would imagine he goes for at least 3 or 4m.

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:57 pm Whats the point of entering the sale and then not going? Or if they are there stressing the horse out with traveling only not to sell it

They have to enter way in advance. Sometimes they have a change of heart, the yearling is in a weird growth spurt, or could even suffer an injury, so they pull them from the sale without ever sending them to the sale. He could already be an out, they don't release the outs list until closer to the sale. It could be they want to stay in on him too but want to make some money and spread the risk out. So they'll enter him and then let prospective buyers know they would like to retain part ownership. That happens a lot.

Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:49 pm

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:43 pm

HB1994 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:09 pm

$1.5-2M.

can they get that much with her record as a broodmare, though? sure she now has a G3W, but in general...

She only has had 3 foals to race so I would say easily. But it would all come down to, does he vet clean and look good. Cause as we saw with Leslie's Lady's 2017 MDO colt, if they don't look good and vet well, they don't get bid on. But if they leave him in the sale and if he ticks all the boxes, I would imagine he goes for at least 3 or 4m.

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:57 pm Whats the point of entering the sale and then not going? Or if they are there stressing the horse out with traveling only not to sell it

They have to enter way in advance. Sometimes they have a change of heart, the yearling is in a weird growth spurt, or could even suffer an injury, so they pull them from the sale without ever sending them to the sale. He could already be an out, they don't release the outs list until closer to the sale. It could be they want to stay in on him too but want to make some money and spread the risk out. So they'll enter him and then let prospective buyers know they would like to retain part ownership. That happens a lot.

Yea but if they pull him while he's there that's just strange to me

They have a video about how they are offering him https://vimeo.com/844283785

The article is in Friday's TDN Daily and they say they are going to try to follow Stonestreet's business model. They can keep some to race but they can't keep all the best for themselves, they have to sell some of the best too.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/p ... 230714.pdf

They said her unnamed 2yo filly by Bolt d'Oro, at this point, looks to be her best. But hey we will see, I think a lot of people like to talk up their unraced 2yos and you'd definitely want to say it if you are planning to sell the yearling 1/2 brother.

Into Mischief x Rachels Valentina is also in the sale. #135
Caravaggio x Unostrike (dam half to Rich Strike). #204

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 6:59 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:49 pm

brunanas wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:43 pm

can they get that much with her record as a broodmare, though? sure she now has a G3W, but in general...

She only has had 3 foals to race so I would say easily. But it would all come down to, does he vet clean and look good. Cause as we saw with Leslie's Lady's 2017 MDO colt, if they don't look good and vet well, they don't get bid on. But if they leave him in the sale and if he ticks all the boxes, I would imagine he goes for at least 3 or 4m.

Justahorse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:57 pm Whats the point of entering the sale and then not going? Or if they are there stressing the horse out with traveling only not to sell it

They have to enter way in advance. Sometimes they have a change of heart, the yearling is in a weird growth spurt, or could even suffer an injury, so they pull them from the sale without ever sending them to the sale. He could already be an out, they don't release the outs list until closer to the sale. It could be they want to stay in on him too but want to make some money and spread the risk out. So they'll enter him and then let prospective buyers know they would like to retain part ownership. That happens a lot.

Yea but if they pull him while he's there that's just strange to me

They sometimes do that if a horse is not getting enough looks, the "right" people aren't looking or don't like the horse when they do look, if people look but don't vet or anything like that. Sometimes they injure themselves after arriving at the sales grounds. Running a horse through the ring and having the bidding not go well can devalue the horse if they want to offer it again later.

Unless it's one of Mandy Pope's, who I think she sometimes enters just for the attention, most sellers do not send their horse to the sale unless they really intend to sell it (at what they believe is a fair price). If the horse is an out after it's already on the grounds, it's usually for a good reason.

Beholder is a sister to the best stallion (Into Mischief) and the colt is by the 2nd best stallion (Curlin), so if that colt looks good, why not try and sell him?
She’s thrown a runner, and she’s still young. She’s not a dud.

Yeah, unless the colt has a glaring flaw or doesn't vet (in which case I would be surprised Spendthrift is offering him for sale), I would expect him to make at least $1,500,000. Beholder only has three foals of racing age, one of which is a recent graded stakes winner, so her "record as a broodmare" is good. Of the Champion mares of the 21st century, how many besides Rachel produced a graded winner? I'm talking any dirt mare that's won an Eclipse. If I didn't have an early wakeup tomorrow I'd look into it right now, but I can't think of many off the top of my head.

Northport wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:41 pm Yeah, unless the colt has a glaring flaw or doesn't vet (in which case I would be surprised Spendthrift is offering him for sale), I would expect him to make at least $1,500,000. Beholder only has three foals of racing age, one of which is a recent graded stakes winner, so her "record as a broodmare" is good. Of the Champion mares of the 21st century, how many besides Rachel produced a graded winner? I'm talking any dirt mare that's won an Eclipse. If I didn't have an early wakeup tomorrow I'd look into it right now, but I can't think of many off the top of my head.

Close Hatches produced Tacitus. His full sister Scylla looks like she has the potential to be a graded winner, but they seem to be bringing her along slowly. So she's obviously not there yet. That's the only one I can come up with.

If you want to go back a little more, Dubai Majesty has 2 G1 winners in Japan, Al Ain and Shahryar. And Stacelita had Soul Stirring. A little farther back, Goldikova produced 2 group winners, Goldistyle and Terrakova. Ginger Punch had Rouge Buck. Back even more, you have Ouija Board, who produced Australia.

Bottom line, the only 2 Eclipse winning females within the last 10 years who've had graded winners, as far as I can tell, are Close Hatches and Beholder.

I don't think I missed anyone but I did only dirt mares: 2000 to present, Champion Older Mare, 3yof, 2yof, sprinter.

Azeri - G2/G3 Wine Princess
Beholder - G3 Teena Ella
Caressing - CH/MG1 West Coast
Close Hatches - MG2 Tacitus
Dreaming of Anna - G3 Dreamologist
Dubai Majesty - MG1s Shahryar and Al Ain
Ginger Punch - G1 Potager, G2/MG3 Rouge Buck
Havre De Grace - G3 Graceful Princess
Rachel Alexandra - G1 Rachel's Valentina
Surfside - G3 Irish Surf

other interesting yearlings catalogued:

#1 f. Gun Runner × Baby Go Far (dam is a G1P ½ to Brazilian Oaks winner Viva Rafaela);
#2 f. Maclean's Music × Baby Rags (fam. of Curlin);
#3 f. Street Boss × Betwixt (2nd dam is ½ to Halfbridled, fam. of G1W Mshawish);

#11 f. Malibu Moon × Buff Beauty (2nd dam is ½ to Zenyatta);
#18 c. Maclean's Music × Chosen Venture (2nd dam is ½ to Wise Dan);

#34 f. Not This Time × Dreams to Reality (fam. of Malathaat);
#38 f. Curlin × Enchanted Rock (½ to Verrazano, fam. of Olympiad);
#39 f. More Than Ready × Episcopal (dam is ½ to Catholic Boy);

#45 f. Blame × Fastbridled (3rd dam is full to Miner's Mark, Traditionally, Our Emblem and ½ to My Flag, Storm Flag Flying...);

#50 f. Uncle Mo × Full Swing (3rd dam is full to Spain);
#51 f. Uncle Mo × Gabriellestoblame (dam is ½ to Nyquist);
#53 c. Practical Joke × Glad Your Back (4th dam is Safely Kept);
#54 f. Oscar Performance × Going Day (dam is ½ to Covfefe, 2nd dam is ½ to Festival of Light, Acoma, Arch...);
#58 f. Maclean's Music × Gran Cherry (fam. of Princess of Sylmar);

#60 c. Munnings × Guilty Verdict (2nd dam is Smuggler, 3rd dam is Inside Information...);
#67 f. Omaha Beach × Hippocampus (3rd dam is Take Charge Lady);
#69 f. Liam's Map × Hopeful Growth (dam is a G3W, 2nd dam is ½ to Grass Wonder and Wonder Again);

#72 f. More Than Ready × Hurryupandcomeback (2nd dam is ½ to Cash Run and Forestry [3rd dam is Shared Interest]);
#75 c. Gun Runner × If Not For Her (dam is ½ to the dam of Cyberknife, 2nd dam is ½ to Well Armed);
#77 c. Quality Road × I'm a Looker (2nd dam is ½ to Dortmund, 4th dam is Lakeville Miss);

#84 c. Girvin × K J Warrior (2nd dam is ½ to A Z Warrior);
#86 c. Into Mischief × Lady Godiva (½ to Leofric, fam. of National Treasure);

#96 c. Gun Runner × Lorelei True (2nd dam is ½ to G1W Harmony Lodge and MG2W Graeme Hall, fam. of We the People and Magnum Moon);

#101 f. Justify × Mahkama (dam is ½ to the dam of MG2W/MG1P Lewis Bay, 2nd dam is ½ to MG1W Wild Rush);
#103 c. Justify × Marketplace (2nd dam is ½ to Stravinsky);

#111 f. Curlin × Morning Dream (dam is ½ to Exaggerator);
#119 f. Into Mischief × Not in Jest (dam is ½ to Cross Traffic [2nd dam is MG1W]);

#121 c. Street Sense × Oh My (2nd dam is ½ to the dam of Leofric, fam. of National Treasure);
#126 f. Omaha Beach × Perfect View (2nd dam is ½ to War of Will);
#127 f. Not This Time × Philanthropic (2nd dam is ½ to Curlin);
#129 c. Tapit × Plenty O'Toole (2nd dam is ½ to Well Armed, fam. of Cyberknife);

#132 c. Street Sense × Pure Poison (3rd dam is Oatsee);
#138 f. Into Mischief × Rare Event (½ to Improbable);

#144 f. Quality Road × Royal Obsession (2nd dam is ½ to Magnificent Song);
#145 c. Practical Joke × Rumandice (2nd dam is ½ to Albertus Maximus and Daredevil);

#150 c. Good Magic × Sassy Miss Sue (dam is full to Tiz Miz Sue);
#151 f. Omaha Beach × Scarlet Love (dam is ½ to Tara's Tango);
#153 f. Omaha Beach × Sconset (fam. of Super Saver);
#156 c. Into Mischief × Separationofpowers (dam is MG1W);

#166 c. Violence × Smart Win (2nd dam is ½ to G1W Harmony Lodge and MG2W Graeme Hall, fam. of We the People and Magnum Moon);

#170 c. Gun Runner × Special Event (dam is G3W/MG3P, 2nd dam is G3W/G2P, 3rd dam is Queena);
#172 f. Practical Joke × Spirit (dam is ½ to Dream Rush...);
#175 c. Uncle Mo × Steidle (dam is ½ to Princess of Sylmar);
#178 c. Justify × Storm Dixie (½ to Princess of Sylmar);

#185 f. More Than Ready × Sweet Promises (2nd dam is Life is Sweet...);

#200 c. Nyquist × Touch the Moon (2nd dam is ½ to Summerly);
#202 f. War Front × True Style (dam is ½ to Scat Daddy);
#209 c. Justify × Vulcan Rose (½ to Flameaway);

#211 f. Twirling Candy × Wamathaat (dam is ½ to Gift Box);
#213 c. Constitution × Web o'Gold (3rd dam is ½ to Gold Beauty...);
#217 c. Not This Time × White Hot (½ to Pizza Bianca);
#219 c. Oscar Performance × Wild Silk (full to Red Carpet Ready, dam is ½ to G1W Joking, 2nd dam is ½ to Fed Biz, 3rd dam is ½ to Tale of the Cat, 4th dam is full to Preach...);

#224 c. Omaha Beach × Worshipper (2nd dam is Preach...);
#228 c. Into Mischief × All American Dream (2nd dam is full to Majestic Warrior, 3rd dam is Dream Supreme).

Thanks, brunanas.

Given that he has two hot 2yos in Europe (City of Troy and and Ramatuelle) and two recent G1 winners in the U.S., how well do you think Justify do at this year’s yearling sales?

HB1994 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:34 am Given that he has two hot 2yos in Europe (City of Troy and and Ramatuelle) and two recent G1 winners in the U.S., how well do you think Justify do at this year’s yearling sales?

I would guess they bring good prices. I just looked at the ones that have photos and they are all good looking, hip #5 has a skinny neck that makes him look weird. My favorite two were #6 and #103. But don't know what their x-rays say, only one doesn't have pics. I don't think any of them will be the sales topper. That is definitely going to Beholder's colt if he vets clean and he appears to have straight legs. But out of the Justify's with pictures, I really liked the #6, there was something about him that made me stop and say wow that is a nice yearling.

I did like Rachel's Valentina's colt too but I also didn't go through a ton of videos/pics looking at all the horses in the sale. Maybe there are others who stand out.