Taking Stock: The Daredevil Syndrome

[Starine]

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/t ... -syndrome/

Good read, and one I think is worthy of its own thread.

[CorridorZ75]

The rise of the commercial breeder has not been all that great for the breed in general.

[Retrospectiv]

I think it's a good read, and very spot on.

But, how often do these banished and quickly returned horses end up being a flash in the pan at stud anyway?

Haven't heard much from Take Charge Indy since they bought him back.
Remember when Claiborne sold off Our Emblem (only to a regional market in his case) only for him to get War Emblem and Private Emblem, and get bought for $10 million+ and repatriated back to KY? Only to prove that he was indeed a flash in the pan sire and was eventually sent off again 4 years later to Brazil.

Can we think of other stallions who were repatriated to KY, who either succeeded or failed, after their first banishing?

[Diver52]

I didn't realize that New Year's Day wound up in Japan. Thanks for the read.

[Northport]

I think it's a good read, and very spot on.

But, how often do these banished and quickly returned horses end up being a flash in the pan at stud anyway?

Haven't heard much from Take Charge Indy since they bought him back.

Isn't his oldest crop since being brought back in utero?

[Flanders]

I think it's a good read, and very spot on.

But, how often do these banished and quickly returned horses end up being a flash in the pan at stud anyway?

Haven't heard much from Take Charge Indy since they bought him back.
Remember when Claiborne sold off Our Emblem (only to a regional market in his case) only for him to get War Emblem and Private Emblem, and get bought for $10 million+ and repatriated back to KY? Only to prove that he was indeed a flash in the pan sire and was eventually sent off again 4 years later to Brazil.

Can we think of other stallions who were repatriated to KY, who either succeeded or failed, after their first banishing?

There is a difference between sold for lack of results and sold because they got an offer. The latter is where Take Charge Indy and Daredevil fit. Who knows what the future brings for TCI. His current 3yos, his last US crop before bring sold aren't great.

However I completely get what you are saying about him. I thought it was a good idea to bring him back to the US but that was in 2018 and now I'm not sure it was a good idea. He truly hasn't sired much and his best two haven't done ANYTHING after making the Kentucky Derby. Those 2, Noble Indy and Long Range Toddy, showing he can get Kentucky Derby contenders will get him mares for a few years but he'll have to get G1SWs from his return crop and fast or he'll be on a plane again.

I don't remember where any of them stood before but I feel like Coolmore brought stallions back. I believe Dehere started in the US, was sent to Japan, bought back to stand in the US, sold to Turkey. Royal Academy I think was just a stallion that Coolmore sent where ever, meaning he stood in Ireland, US and Australia, so I don't think he fits either. Rhythm was sold to Japan, then bought by Coolmore and sent to the US and was then sent to a regional market.

[Retrospectiv]

I think it's a good read, and very spot on.

But, how often do these banished and quickly returned horses end up being a flash in the pan at stud anyway?

Haven't heard much from Take Charge Indy since they bought him back.
Remember when Claiborne sold off Our Emblem (only to a regional market in his case) only for him to get War Emblem and Private Emblem, and get bought for $10 million+ and repatriated back to KY? Only to prove that he was indeed a flash in the pan sire and was eventually sent off again 4 years later to Brazil.

Can we think of other stallions who were repatriated to KY, who either succeeded or failed, after their first banishing?

There is a difference between sold for lack of results and sold because they got an offer. The latter is where Take Charge Indy and Daredevil fit. Who knows what the future brings for TCI. His current 3yos, his last US crop before bring sold aren't great.

The two go together - if not for the lack of results, they'd not have been available for offers. Successful horses with full books and good sales rarely get sold off to Turkey or Korea.
I believe Coolmore owned Royal Academy his entire stallion career, he just got shuttled around, trying to find his best fit. Can't recall if they sold Dehere to Japan at the time or he went over on a breeding lease like some others have. Such handsome buggers he and Royal Academy were...

Northport - regardless of when he came back, he's not had a lot happen stakes winner wise since he got the two that got everyone excited about bringing him back. Time will tell of it was a wise decision, or if this is another Our Emblem redux.

[Flanders]

I think it's a good read, and very spot on.

But, how often do these banished and quickly returned horses end up being a flash in the pan at stud anyway?

Haven't heard much from Take Charge Indy since they bought him back.
Remember when Claiborne sold off Our Emblem (only to a regional market in his case) only for him to get War Emblem and Private Emblem, and get bought for $10 million+ and repatriated back to KY? Only to prove that he was indeed a flash in the pan sire and was eventually sent off again 4 years later to Brazil.

Can we think of other stallions who were repatriated to KY, who either succeeded or failed, after their first banishing?

There is a difference between sold for lack of results and sold because they got an offer. The latter is where Take Charge Indy and Daredevil fit. Who knows what the future brings for TCI. His current 3yos, his last US crop before bring sold aren't great.

The two go together - if not for the lack of results, they'd not have been available for offers. Successful horses with full books and good sales rarely get sold off to Turkey or Korea.
I believe Coolmore owned Royal Academy his entire stallion career, he just got shuttled around, trying to find his best fit. Can't recall if they sold Dehere to Japan at the time or he went over on a breeding lease like some others have. Such handsome buggers he and Royal Academy were...

Northport - regardless of when he came back, he's not had a lot happen stakes winner wise since he got the two that got everyone excited about bringing him back. Time will tell of it was a wise decision, or if this is another Our Emblem redux.

TCI didn't even have foals to race yet. His sales numbers maybe weren't great but he still got over 100 mares his last year before going to South Korea. Daredevil wasn't getting mares but they also weren't actively seeking to sell him yet. I get why they sold him, you sell a horse that got 21 mares at a cheap stud fee. Declaration of War is an example of a stallion getting results and mares, yet still sold. Sometimes the offers are just too good to pass up. Better to take an offer than wait and see when only 1 in 3 or 4 stallions makes it in Kentucky.

As for TCI, I think its going to be an Our Emblem situation. I thought they should bring him back at first but the more time that has gone by, he hasn't done much at all. He pretty much will have to get multiple G1SWs from his first crop back or he'll be on a plane again. Yes he got 2 starters in the Kentucky Derby in back to back years BUT they haven't done ANYTHING since and he only has 1 G3SW besides those 2 G2SWs. Its not enough.

[Private Thoughts]

If my memory serves correctly, Gato del Sol was sent to Russia and brought back.

[Mylute]

If my memory serves correctly, Gato del Sol was sent to Russia and brought back.

Per PQ, Gato del Sol was sent to Germany, and returned to the United States when he was pensioned.

[HB1994]

If my memory serves correctly, Gato del Sol was sent to Russia and brought back.

I think it was Leo Castelli who was repatriated from Russia. The Hancocks brought Gato del Sol back from Germany.