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Airdrie Stud Announces 2019 Fees

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... stud-fees/

American Freedom – $10,000

Cairo Prince – TBD

Creative Cause – $20,000

Include – $7,500

Mark Valeski – Private

McCraken – $10,000**

Summer Front – $10,000

Upstart – $10,000

*New for 2019

EDIT: Majesticperfection isn't listed, but he's on their website with a "2019: TBD" so maybe they just forgot.

I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 pm I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:24 pm

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 pm I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

I'm a little disappointed too not gonna lie, I love Cairo Prince and hope he has a successful stud career. Most people expect his get to be late developers but it can only be good for him commercially that he already has a graded stakes winning 2yo in his first crop.
I suppose there are several other graded stakes for 2yos from here until the end of the year besides the BC though so you never know if it could boost his fee a little.

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:24 pm

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 pm I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

Nobody associated with Cairo Prince as a stallion is 'down' right now. They are just waiting to see how much higher his fee is going to be this winter, and whether they get piggish and go for a big jump or something more moderate. Regardless, nobody gets upset when considering a rise in fee.

Horsebagger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:03 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:24 pm

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 pm I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

Nobody associated with Cairo Prince as a stallion is 'down' right now. They are just waiting to see how much higher his fee is going to be this winter, and whether they get piggish and go for a big jump or something more moderate. Regardless, nobody gets upset when considering a rise in fee.

I meant with Cairo Cat being out of the BCJ, but OK whatever.

Horsebagger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:03 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:24 pm

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 pm I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

Nobody associated with Cairo Prince as a stallion is 'down' right now. They are just waiting to see how much higher his fee is going to be this winter, and whether they get piggish and go for a big jump or something more moderate. Regardless, nobody gets upset when considering a rise in fee.

I meant with Cairo Cat being out of the BCJ, but OK whatever.

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:37 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:24 pm

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:20 pm I know they were waiting post-BC for Cairo Prince, but Cairo Cat just defected from the BC, does he have any other significant contenders?

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

I'm a little disappointed too not gonna lie, I love Cairo Prince and hope he has a successful stud career. Most people expect his get to be late developers but it can only be good for him commercially that he already has a graded stakes winning 2yo in his first crop.
I suppose there are several other graded stakes for 2yos from here until the end of the year besides the BC though so you never know if it could boost his fee a little.

Is it really expected for his progeny to be late developers? He won one G2 as a two year old and one in January of his 3 y/o year, then ran last race was March of his three year old season, albeit, he wasn't officially retired till the Autumn.

Pioneerof the Nile has some horses that were late bloomers, but his most notable progeny, including Cairo Prince, were graded stakes winners as two year olds. With the prices Cairo Prince's progeny were fetching at the sales and the boost in fee before anything hit the track, I'd expect/hope he has some more stakes winners/performers before the year is over.

Northport wrote: ↑Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:11 pm

Treve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:37 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:24 pm

None that I can think of. Airdrie must feel so down right now, lol.

I'm a little disappointed too not gonna lie, I love Cairo Prince and hope he has a successful stud career. Most people expect his get to be late developers but it can only be good for him commercially that he already has a graded stakes winning 2yo in his first crop.
I suppose there are several other graded stakes for 2yos from here until the end of the year besides the BC though so you never know if it could boost his fee a little.

Is it really expected for his progeny to be late developers? He won one G2 as a two year old and one in January of his 3 y/o year, then ran last race was March of his three year old season, albeit, he wasn't officially retired till the Autumn.

Pioneerof the Nile has some horses that were late bloomers, but his most notable progeny, including Cairo Prince, were graded stakes winners as two year olds. With the prices Cairo Prince's progeny were fetching at the sales and the boost in fee before anything hit the track, I'd expect/hope he has some more stakes winners/performers before the year is over.

Every single article that has been out about his progeny starting from his first yearlings selling last year until now, have made comments about expecting them to be later developers. Almost every person who bought one of his higher priced offspring also echoed that sentiment. "Look how good they are now and yet you'd expect them to be less precocious types and develop later which can only mean good things." type comments.
I suppose it depends on what barometers you're using but to me 'graded stakes winner at 2' doesn't really specify. If your 2yo started in April or May and started winning then, I think that would be a precocious type. If your 2yo is starting in August - September that would be later (without being pathologically late). Starting in October is getting late. Winning the Bob Hope as a 2yo in November isn't the same as winning the Best Pal in August or even the Hopeful in September.

Spendthrift Raises Into Mischief's Fee to $150,000

B. Wayne Hughes' Spendthrift Farm announced the 2019 fees for its 25-stallion roster that will stand at the Lexington-based farm this upcoming breeding season. Among the roster are three new stallions for 2019, again spearheaded by leading sire Into Mischief, whose fee has moved to $150,000 and is booked full.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... to-150-000

Stallions - 2018 Fee - 2019 Fee

Into Mischief - 100,000 - $150,000 – BOOK FULL

Malibu Moon - $75,000 - $75,000

Bolt d’Oro - NEW - $25,000

Lord Nelson - $25,000 - $25,000

Goldencents - $12,500 - $20,000

Jimmy Creed - $15,000 - $20,000

Cross Traffic - $7,500 - $10,000

Gormley - $10,000 - $10,000

Mor Spirit - NEW - $10,000

Temple City - $15,000 - $10,000

Brody’s Cause - $12,500 - $7,500

Wicked Strong - $10,000 - $7,500

Palace - $6,000 - $6,000

Race Day - $6,000 - $6,000

Cinco Charlie - $5,000 - $5,000

Dominus - $10,000 - $5,000

Flat Out - $7,000 - $5,000

Hit It a Bomb - $7,000 - $5,000

Shakin It Up - $5,000 - $5,000

Can the Man - $3,500 - $3,500

Danza - $4,000 - $3,500

Itsmyluckyday - $5,000 - $3,500

Medal Count - $3,500 - $3,500

Normandy Invasion - $3,500 - $3,500

Free Drop Billy - NEW - TBA

Missing from Spendthrift's 2019 stud roster that stood there in 2018: Liaison, Tom's Ready, Warrior's Reward

Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:28 am Missing from Spendthrift's 2019 stud roster that stood there in 2018: Liaison, Tom's Ready, Warrior's Reward

Liaison is heading to Oklahoma.

Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:28 am Missing from Spendthrift's 2019 stud roster that stood there in 2018: Liaison, Tom's Ready, Warrior's Reward

Warrior's Reward shuttles to Australia so maybe staying there for the year?

Quality Road's fee more than doubled.

LANE’S END FARM 2019 STUD FEES ANNOUNCED
2019 Stud Fees

Accelerate- TBD
Candy Ride (Arg)- $80,000
City of Light- TBD
Connect- $20,000
Honor Code- $40,000
Lemon Drop Kid- $25,000
Liam’s Map- $20,000
Mineshaft- $20,000
Morning Line- $5,000
Mr. Speaker- $10,000
Noble Mission (GB)- $15,000
Quality Road- $150,000
The Factor- $15,000
Tonalist- $15,000
Twirling Candy- $25,000
Unified- $10,000
Union Rags- $60,000
West Coast- TBD

https://www.lanesend.com/2018/10/lanes- ... unced.html

RugbyGirl wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:28 am Missing from Spendthrift's 2019 stud roster that stood there in 2018: Liaison, Tom's Ready, Warrior's Reward

Warrior's Reward shuttles to Australia so maybe staying there for the year?

Yeah, Warrior’s Reward is at Spendthrift’s Aussie operation, they recently announced that Liason is off to Oklahoma, and nothing so far for Tom’s Ready.

Wasn't Tom's Ready a freshman sire? Maybe fertility problems?

I'm glad to see The Factor is back...love him

In my opinion, there are only so many mares worth putting a $100,000 + stud fee into. The US now has at least 11 (if I'm counting right) stallions who are standing for over 100k.

Given stud fees and book sizes, are 10% of the mares covered by Kentucky based stallions worth putting a 100k+ stud fee into?

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:47 pm In my opinion, there are only so many mares worth putting a $100,000 + stud fee into. The US now has at least 11 (if I'm counting right) stallions who are standing for over 100k.

Given stud fees and book sizes, are 10% of the mares covered by Kentucky based stallions worth putting a 100k+ stud fee into?

IMO, the market is getting too hot at the moment to be sustainable under the conditions you mentioned, but the farm's are trying to take advantage while they can. Good luck to commercial breeder's though.

Disappointed in Lane's End roster at the moment, given it's polarization with this bump for Quality Road. I've touted QR for a couple of years, but we're out on him for 2019 at that number. Difficult to be confidant of making money 3 years from now if looking to breed to sell as a small breeder. Candy Rides fee is fair given his age and some of his sons now in the market. Still bullish on Honor Code at $40,000, and would probably be speculatively optimistic on some of their younger stallions such as Connect, Unified and Noble Mission. Chance to be profitable without the risk associated with six figure fees. Time for some small ball, instead of looking to knock something out of the park.

I'm hoping Noble Mission has some breakout performers. I've noticed his two-year-olds are running well, though often just short of first. But being a full to Frankel, I would think that his potential is very high. The Sadler's Wells line seems to be consistently good...and, of course, there's the KIND factor.