Horse Racing Forum - USA Thoroughbred Races

No one has a clue if a yearling has talent. It's far too early. You're just getting beyond worrying that all the parts and pieces came together in a good way at the yearling stage.

Ken wrote:I noticed the full brother of Declaration of War is in the Keeneland September sale. His name is The Presidency. I have no idea if Joseph Allen really plans on selling him but from a statistical standpoint can anyone name any full brother or sisters than were also great horses? It strikes me as odd a person with deep pockets would sell a full brother to Declaration of War if the horse had shown any talent. But if he is so bold to name him The Presidency wouldn't you think he has talent?

Mares can drop multiple good horses and that mare already has a few nice ones on the page. Will he be another Declaration of War? Maybe not, but on blood alone he could be a regional stallion prospect. Look at Curlin To Mischief.

Of course there are superior full siblings--maybe not "great" because that is rare, but very good. One which comes to mind is the pair of juvenile champions produced by the Princequillo mare Misty Morn to the cover of Bold Ruler, Bold Lad and Successor. (Hmm, that cross sounds familiar. . . ) But I know there is a school of thought that prefers "close but not exact," e.g. breed AP's dam to Empire Maker or even Bodemeister rather than going straight back to PotN.

Misty Morn also produced the superior Sunrise Flight.

Tiznows full brother Budroyale may not have been as brilliant but he was a multiple graded stakes winner and earned $2.8M, their full sister Tizdubai only raced 4 times but won the G2 Sorrento.

The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Hasili.

Dansili
Banks Hill
Heat Haze
Intercontinental
Cacique
Champs Elysees

Not all are full siblings but the progeny that Urban Sea has produced has been outstanding. 2 Derby winners (both now excellent sires with Galileo absolutely dominating), 4 Grade 1 winners overall, an Oaks placed filly and another listed stakes winner who is also off the mark as a sire with his first crop. And the fillies she has produced have had a good produce record as well. But most of all, her name will be carried on through many generations thanks to Galileo and Sea The Stars.

Avalyn Hill has an article on BloodHorse.com that addresses this: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... l-siblings

Some other examples I can recall are:

Better Than Honour produced Jazil, Rags to Riches and Casino Drive

Leslie's Lady produced Beholder and Into Mischief, both G1 winners

Urban Sea produced Galileo and Sea the Stars

Marguerite produced multiple stakes winners Petee-Wrack (by Wrack), Gallant Fox and Fighting Fox (both by Sir Gallahad III).

aethervox wrote:Avalyn Hill has an article on BloodHorse.com that addresses this: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... l-siblings

Some other examples I can recall are:

Better Than Honour produced Jazil, Rags to Riches and Casino Drive

Leslie's Lady produced Beholder and Into Mischief, both G1 winners

Urban Sea produced Galileo and Sea the Stars

Marguerite produced multiple stakes winners Petee-Wrack (by Wrack), Gallant Fox and Fighting Fox (both by Sir Gallahad III).

Whilst both brilliant, the two were just half brothers. Black Sam Bellamy was a full brother to Galileo (both out of the brilliant Sadler's Wells) whilst the closest brother to STS was Born To Sea whose sire Invincible Spirit was out of Green Desert (just as STS's sire Cape Cross) so they are 3/4 brothers, ish. Although Oaks placed All Too Beautiful was a full to Galileo

Kind has done pretty well, with Bullet Train, Frankel and Noble Mission. I think there's also an OK colt, Morpheus?

Graustark and His Majesty.

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Kind has done pretty well, with Bullet Train, Frankel and Noble Mission. I think there's also an OK colt, Morpheus?

I can't remember the name but she has a Grade 3 (or 2?) winning daughter too.

Easy Goer had a G1SWing full sister in Cadillacing and a G1SWing half sister in Easy Now.
MG1SW Educated Risk had a full brother SW Diamond, full sister G2Spw Hidden Reserve and half sister in CH/MG1SW Inside Information
CH/MG1SW Personal Ensign, full brother MG1SW Personal Flag
Serena's Song produced the full siblings G1SW Sophisticat, G2 Grand Reward, G3 Schramsburg, half siblings G2 Harlington, MSW Serena's Tune

From what I've seen/heard Australia's half brother by Dubawi, Frontiersman is pretty promising.

Mariah's Storm had Giant's Causeway and You'resothrilling, who were both graded stakes winners. There were also four stakes placed horses from the cross. Basically all her foals are gold, if they can't run, they can produce (or in You'resothrilling's case, both)

Which reminds me -- How has Win Approval not won Broodmare of the Year yet?

She is the dam of:

Miesque's Approval (Miesque's Son) -- Champion Turf Male; Breeders' Cup Mile (gr. I) winner; millionaire

Za Approval (Ghostzapper) -- Grade III winner; runner-up in three grade I's; millionaire

Revved Up (Sultry Song) -- Grade II winner; won stakes ages 4 through 10 (exception age 6); millionaire

World Approval (Northern Afleet) -- Grade I winner


Pretty impressive resume, don't you think?

Starine wrote:Which reminds me -- How has Win Approval not won Broodmare of the Year yet?

She is the dam of:

Miesque's Approval (Miesque's Son) -- Champion Turf Male; Breeders' Cup Mile (gr. I) winner; millionaire

Za Approval (Ghostzapper) -- Grade III winner; runner-up in three grade I's; millionaire

Revved Up (Sultry Song) -- Grade II winner; won stakes ages 4 through 10 (exception age 6); millionaire

World Approval (Northern Afleet) -- Grade I winner


Pretty impressive resume, don't you think?

I was just wondering the same thing! Broodmare of the decade more like

Starine wrote:Which reminds me -- How has Win Approval not won Broodmare of the Year yet?

She is the dam of:

Miesque's Approval (Miesque's Son) -- Champion Turf Male; Breeders' Cup Mile (gr. I) winner; millionaire

Za Approval (Ghostzapper) -- Grade III winner; runner-up in three grade I's; millionaire

Revved Up (Sultry Song) -- Grade II winner; won stakes ages 4 through 10 (exception age 6); millionaire

World Approval (Northern Afleet) -- Grade I winner


Pretty impressive resume, don't you think?

she foals in Florida. The award is Kentucky Broodmare of the Year.

Ah. Well, it'd be nice for exceptional broodmares based outside of Kentucky to be recognized as well. Win Approval could probably throw a graded stakes winner if she was covered by a donkey.

Mariah's Storm had Giant's Causeway and You'resothrilling, who were both graded stakes winners.

There's also GC's full brother, Freud, who has been top sire in NY for forever.

Starine wrote:Ah. Well, it'd be nice for exceptional broodmares based outside of Kentucky to be recognized as well. Win Approval could probably throw a graded stakes winner if she was covered by a donkey.

Introducing the Eclipse 'Blue Hen' award ?