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Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm

Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
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Flanders wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
Sickening...she needs to serve jail time.
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Flanders wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
Every time I see an update, I think that it cannot get any worse or be more embarrassing/shameful for the parties involved, and every time i am proved wrong.
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Northport wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:44 am
Flanders wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
Every time I see an update, I think that it cannot get any worse or be more embarrassing/shameful for the parties involved, and every time i am proved wrong.
Yeah. The vet just showed up and gave the horse a random combination of expired crap she found somewhere and then sprinted to her car and took off? Was no one there at all? Like the story is almost too crazy to be real.....
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Flanders wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:42 pm
Northport wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:44 am
Flanders wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
Every time I see an update, I think that it cannot get any worse or be more embarrassing/shameful for the parties involved, and every time i am proved wrong.
Yeah. The vet just showed up and gave the horse a random combination of expired crap she found somewhere and then sprinted to her car and took off? Was no one there at all? Like the story is almost too crazy to be real.....
i don't even want to think about how many stallions have that shot in their routine but are just lucky to survive it. a certain leading sire who apparently has the drive to be bred to over 215 mares every year comes to mind :?
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Flanders wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:42 pm
Northport wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:44 am
Flanders wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
Every time I see an update, I think that it cannot get any worse or be more embarrassing/shameful for the parties involved, and every time i am proved wrong.
Yeah. The vet just showed up and gave the horse a random combination of expired crap she found somewhere and then sprinted to her car and took off? Was no one there at all? Like the story is almost too crazy to be real.....
I really do wonder if she was an employee of WinStar or if she was a sole proprietor or if she worked for a larger Vet outfit. If she was working on their top stallions, you would assume she was a private employee. WinStar also isn’t really throwing her under the bus, probably because even if she decided to make up her own cocktail of medication, WinStar were still the ones who asked for it.
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A simple B12 shot is a far cry from the cocktail she concocted. :evil:
I've given my cats B12, and it can be helpful for appetite and general well-being.
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Northport wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:00 pm Image
Flanders wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:42 pm
Northport wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:44 am

Every time I see an update, I think that it cannot get any worse or be more embarrassing/shameful for the parties involved, and every time i am proved wrong.
Yeah. The vet just showed up and gave the horse a random combination of expired crap she found somewhere and then sprinted to her car and took off? Was no one there at all? Like the story is almost too crazy to be real.....
I really do wonder if she was an employee of WinStar or if she was a sole proprietor or if she worked for a larger Vet outfit. If she was working on their top stallions, you would assume she was a private employee. WinStar also isn’t really throwing her under the bus, probably because even if she decided to make up her own cocktail of medication, WinStar were still the ones who asked for it.
She is I guess? This article said someone else is their vet and that Heather Wharton is her associate.
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:07 pm A simple B12 shot is a far cry from the cocktail she concocted. :evil:
I've given my cats B12, and it can be helpful for appetite and general well-being.
Absolutely, but at the end of the day, a horse who had already covered 100+ mares was starting to show lack of interest and instead of just resting the horse, WinStar opted to use medical intervention.
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Flanders wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:42 pm
Northport wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:44 am
Flanders wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:15 pm Update to the Laoban case. WinStar managers told the vet to only give Laoban a b12 shot. The vet took it upon herself to make the mixture she did, didn't read any of the labels or check expiration dates and left Laoban 30 seconds after administering the shot. You would think she would have still been within earshot 24 seconds later but she didn't come back until 5 minutes later and he was dead by then. She tried giving him steroid injections but he was gone. She is most likely going to lose her vet license.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... inary-care
Every time I see an update, I think that it cannot get any worse or be more embarrassing/shameful for the parties involved, and every time i am proved wrong.
Yeah. The vet just showed up and gave the horse a random combination of expired crap she found somewhere and then sprinted to her car and took off? Was no one there at all? Like the story is almost too crazy to be real.....
Interesting that the vet had a name for the combination, i.e. "The Black Shot." Makes me wonder 1) if she had never really used it before and 2) what the farm actually asked for. Also interesting that the insurance company didn't cooperate with the animal cruelty investigation so that the statute of limitations ran out. Everyone involved just seems like they want this story to go away.
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:11 pm

Was Laoban given the shot just because he had a low libido (after 100+ mares of course) or was he just generally acting lethargic towards everything?
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Mylute wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:11 pm Was Laoban given the shot just because he had a low libido (after 100+ mares of course) or was he just generally acting lethargic towards everything?
I believe they specifically stated it was declining libido
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:31 pm

In my opinion, I think Winstar is throwing this vet under the bus to cover themselves. I can’t see a resident vet risking her home and career by concocting something like that without the farm’s approval first. Also many managers in this business contradict their vets all the time. The vet will tell them to treat a horse this way and then if the manager doesn’t agree, they’ll ask around and find a vet that will give them the answer they want to hear. I know this because I’ve seen it myself. Wouldn’t surprise me if the vet wanted to just do the B12 shot and Winstar told her to add the other stuff in and she had no other choice, but to obey or otherwise risk losing her job.
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:59 pm

Hmmm. Well, I have had the experience of a vet deciding to provide a B vitamin blend, when I had specifically asked for B12. Had to insist that he return to just giving my cat the plain B12.
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Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:23 pm

She definitely could have decided to do the concoction, but she wasn’t even the main resident vet so I can’t see her having that much leeway with the managers, but again who knows and maybe she was the one who decided to make it. If she was the one who decided to make the Black shot and was this neglectful with Laoban then she does deserve to lose her license. Winstar shouldn’t be off the hook either though, they are the ones who decided to do medical intervention on a stallion who lost his libido after breeding over 200 mares already…
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My favourite stallion Zarak had his first 2 year old runner of the season called Colonia Victoria

She finished 2nd beaten 1/4 of a length came from way off the best and was doing all her best work from just over a furlong out.

Very promising run.

Also just watch Inzan win the 9.50 at Tarbes made all the running won cosily, another winner for Zarak :D

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Haya Zark just won the listed race at Longchamp another winner for Zarak ;)


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Northport wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:26 am
BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:07 pm A simple B12 shot is a far cry from the cocktail she concocted. :evil:
I've given my cats B12, and it can be helpful for appetite and general well-being.
Absolutely, but at the end of the day, a horse who had already covered 100+ mares was starting to show lack of interest and instead of just resting the horse, WinStar opted to use medical intervention.
And this is what sticks in my craw.
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Northport wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:26 am
BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:07 pm A simple B12 shot is a far cry from the cocktail she concocted. :evil:
I've given my cats B12, and it can be helpful for appetite and general well-being.
Absolutely, but at the end of the day, a horse who had already covered 100+ mares was starting to show lack of interest and instead of just resting the horse, WinStar opted to use medical intervention.
i think is has to be discussed that shots like this are so common. we just seem to think they aren't because we don't hear about it. but think of Into Mischief for example, who has been breeding over 210 mares every year for almost a decade. what WinStar did is absolutely cruel but they're far from the only ones just like Laoban is far from the only stallion to get "libido boosters". it's a sad reality and i wish we talked more about the abuse in the breeding shed instead of assuming it basically only happens in the racetrack
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Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:22 pm

Once again, our loss is probably Japan's gain.

Declaration of War gets two stakes winners this weekend, one on dirt and the other on all-weather.

Hopper - G3 Affirmed S.
Hot Blooded - Soldier's Dancer S.

In recent weeks, he's also had:

Gufo - 3rd G1 Manhattan
Silver Prospector - 1st G3 Steve Sexton Mile
Big Invasion - 3 SW in a row in 2022
Joe - 1st James Murphy S.
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