Stallion News

[TurfLover]

If you had Siskin standing in Japan, please come forward to collect your prize

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/ ... pan/455726

No farm listed, but he will race at Keeneland then be retired.

The list of annoying retirements of the last week gets an unwelcome addition... Nick Luck posed the question on his podcast: Are we breeding to race or racing to breed?

Still super weird to me that they wouldn't want to announce where he is retiring. I would imagine most breeders have plans set already. Maybe its different in Japan?

I don't know, the whole thing sounds cryptic. If you're a podcast person I definitely recommend listening to Nick Luck's daily podcast. He interviewed Ger Lyons today and Lyons was pretty open about how aggravated he was when the horse got sold. He had laid out the horse's 3 year old season with an eye to keeping him fresh for a 4 year old season, but when the horse got sold it became a matter of his new owners just running him in mile G1s to try to rack up more G1 wins because he wouldn't race on at 4.

Japan is pretty huge on running their colts as older horses if they can (mostly because they have the best prize money in the world) but it also because it seems like they are genuinely interested in winning races as much as they are interested in breeding top horses. So... I'm kind of surprised that Japanese owners are gunning to get the horse retired.

Ger Lyons also mentioned how you start your career with lower level horses and try to work up to top class owners running in G1 races because those owners can afford to keep and race their best horses... then you get the superstar for the huge operation and the damn horse still gets sold.

I read that article and thought he seemed very cheesed off considering normally once a horse retires it’s pure compliments about what a success he’s been and how successful he’ll be at stud.
I agree with his sentiments but I fear that it might have been a dangerous move speaking out about them.

[TurfLover]

Racing Post article cites that Wings of Eagles (In competition for worst Derby winner of recent times) has gone from 40 live foals in France in 2018 to 478 mares covered in 2019 & 2020...
moved from France to Coolmore...

[Flanders]

Racing Post article cites that Wings of Eagles (In competition for worst Derby winner of recent times) has gone from 40 live foals in France in 2018 to 478 mares covered in 2019 & 2020...
moved from France to Coolmore...

I think he is at their National Hunt division? They all cover 200+ mares.

[Northport]

Racing Post article cites that Wings of Eagles (In competition for worst Derby winner of recent times) has gone from 40 live foals in France in 2018 to 478 mares covered in 2019 & 2020...
moved from France to Coolmore...

I think he is at their National Hunt division? They all cover 200+ mares.

^^^ This. Their breeding season is longer since NH horses won't hit the track till they're three as well.

I also don't think he was a terrible Derby winner, he was definitely a longshot but I think he ran well in the Irish Derby afterwards considering he sustain a career ending injury in the race. He's better than Anthony Van Dyck.

[Flanders]

Lookin at Lee retired. Owner wants to stand him in a regional market.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... s-pending/

[TurfLover]

Racing Post article cites that Wings of Eagles (In competition for worst Derby winner of recent times) has gone from 40 live foals in France in 2018 to 478 mares covered in 2019 & 2020...
moved from France to Coolmore...

I think he is at their National Hunt division? They all cover 200+ mares.

I know. it’s just concerning when a horse, that only wins two races, retires after an injury and then will go on to be sire 800+ foals before we know anything about his state of success.
*sigh* I guess money will always win.

[Mylute]

Noble Mission(GB) will stand at JBBA Shizunai for a fee of JPY 1,500,000 (about US$ 14,300) in 2021.

Feels like a steal at the price? Or is that a fairly average stallion fee in Japan?

Not sure I'd say it's a steal but I would say it's a low-risk potentially high return situation.

Noble Mission is a full-brother to Frankel who has stood his entire career in the US. Turf racing is becoming more popular each year but it still does not beat king dirt, so even a G1W full-brother to Frankel is going to be sort of up against it over here. His best progeny is a G1W on dirt, and he also has a G2W on turf. He has 74 winners in total. I wouldn't say he's a disappointment exactly, because he was kind of up against it, but he wasn't really making it in Kentucky.

I'm not sure if there's any Frankel sons in Japan yet, so if there isn't, he's Japan's first immediate access to that horse. If he nicks well with the Japanese mare pool then he'll shoot off like a rocket and that stud fee will be a steal in retrospect.

[HB1994]

Carvaggio moved from Ireland to Ashford

Interesting

So now they have 3 Scat Daddys in Kentucky?

Strikes me as a very odd move but maybe Caravaggio was stepping on No Nay Never’s toes?

They’ve done pretty well with Munnings, another Holy Bull grandson. Maybe they’re hoping lightning will strike twice.

[BaroqueAgain1]

Well, unlike Justify or Mendy, Caravaggio was a stone-cold sprinter. He may add another dimension to the Scat Daddy line for Coolmore...and US breeders do like a precocious, fast horse.

[Falinadin]

This is seriously funny, huge props to Darby Dan for this

[CorridorZ75]

I feel as though this was first suggested by Mark on twitter.

[Falinadin]

I did see it today on twitter, though not from him. I 100% thought it was a photoshopped joke ad... then I went to Darby Dan's site and that is actually Country House's page.

[CorridorZ75]

I did see it today on twitter, though not from him. I 100% thought it was a photoshopped joke ad... then I went to Darby Dan's site and that is actually Country House's page.

It was definitely put out on twitter some time before the Derby was run. I just can't remember by whom. Kudos for Darby Dan picking it up.

[Flanders]

Caravaggio going to Ashford doesn't surprise me. They have moved stallions to Ashford before their foals raced, including Declaration of War and Giant's Causeway. Maybe they are running out of room at Coolmore, they have 24 stallions and that is if they don't add anyone else after Sottsass this year. They still have 2 sons of Scat Daddy and a grandson at the Irish farm. They don't have a problem shipping their mares around the world to be covered, so picking one that would appeal to US breeders makes sense.

[FlyToTheStars]

Looks like FuPeg is pensioned

[Retrospectiv]

Looks like FuPeg is pensioned

Ya, seems so. Not on the list

[tachyon]

Noble Mission(GB) will stand at JBBA Shizunai for a fee of JPY 1,500,000 (about US$ 14,300) in 2021.

Feels like a steal at the price? Or is that a fairly average stallion fee in Japan?

I've just looked into his 2020 numbers and other 3rd crop stallions numbers to date below:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... istType=c3

Standing for $20,000 at Lane's End this year, Noble Mission's numbers have not been particularly strong -- he is #9 among 3rd crop stallions.
If he stayed in Kentucky next year, I suspect that his fee for 2021 would have been cut to between $10,000 and $12,500, with such top performers as Goldencents and Cairo Prince standing only for $15,000.

Generally speaking, stud fees in Japan may not deviate too much from what would have been in the US, if those stallions come from studs in the US.
So I think that his $14,300 at JBBA is correct, even if I personally had expected for a little bit higher fee in Japan for him.

[Izvestia]

Looks like FuPeg is pensioned

Ya, seems so. Not on the list

No Tiz the Law?

[Mylute]

...Echo Town?

What?

[Slewfan2]

Looks like FuPeg is pensioned

Ya, seems so. Not on the list

No Tiz the Law?

He’s running next year...