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CorridorZ75
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:51 pm

Apparently it is the National Hunt sires that have those crazy high numbers, but at least I think those breeders will breed through the summer and into the fall since they aren't all that concerned about early development on the flat so aren't a slave to the January 1 birth date.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:14 pm

The fees are also much lower even for a top class stallion. I also get the sense that since all male National Hunt runners are geldings, there's no point in pretending you care about over-saturating or diluting the market with 250+ progeny of one stallion in any given year. Jumps horses sales happen less frequently and the sales toppers always have at least a run under their belts, whether it is in a point to point or otherwise, so you have a lot more to go off of than just pedigree. Though it seems that most top jumps horses are purchased privately from France after they win their maiden hurdle.
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:28 pm

This article about Mongolian Groom states that Hightail has been moved back to Calumet's Kentucky base.
https://www.paulickreport.com/features/ ... -pedigree/
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:36 pm

Mylute wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:28 pm This article about Mongolian Groom states that Hightail has been moved back to Calumet's Kentucky base.
https://www.paulickreport.com/features/ ... -pedigree/
Of that lengthy list of stallions at Calumet, only English Channel has produced a Grade One winner, so yeah, probably a good idea to bring Hightail back, especially since he produced Mongolian Groom and Dynatail in literally only a handful of matings to mares of, at best, average quality.
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Anyone want to guess what Calumet will price him at? They're used to be a bit ridiculous with their fees for stallions in their first or second years with them. At one point they seemed like they physically could not price any of their stallions lower than $7,500, even if the horse had stood for less than that at a different farm earliest in its career and still didn't have any notable progeny (Eye of the Leopard, Smarty Jones) or if it was a newly retired horse with a less than impressive race record (Snapy Halo, Raison d'Tat).

They're a bit more reasonable now, they have a couple at $5,000, with the rest "private", and a couple relocated to regional markets. I will give them credit though for standing stallions that other farms find unfashionable and at least giving them a decent shot to succeed, even if the North American market remains obsessed with early two year old speed on dirt.

Hightail last stood for $2,500 in Arkansas, so maybe $5,000-$7,500 in 2020?
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:33 pm

hadrianmarcus wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:36 pm
Mylute wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:28 pm This article about Mongolian Groom states that Hightail has been moved back to Calumet's Kentucky base.
https://www.paulickreport.com/features/ ... -pedigree/
Of that lengthy list of stallions at Calumet, only English Channel has produced a Grade One winner, so yeah, probably a good idea to bring Hightail back, especially since he produced Mongolian Groom and Dynatail in literally only a handful of matings to mares of, at best, average quality.
To be fair a large portion of their current roster don't have kids at the track yet.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:18 pm

Awesome Again pensioned

The 25yo stallion is being pensioned.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:56 pm

Demarchelier to stand at Claibourne Farm. Dubawi colt with a top class pedigree.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... rm-in-2020
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:07 pm

Coltimus Prime Moves to Alberta for 2020
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... ng-season/

~ If I understood the wording correctly he was only able to cover 1 test mare in April due to his injury taking that long to heal.
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Eqtidaar has been retired to stud.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:52 pm

such an accomplished sire ❤️
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:46 pm

Flanders wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:18 pm Awesome Again pensioned

The 25yo stallion is being pensioned.
They also pensioned Milwaukee Brew and Sligo Bay.
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hadrianmarcus wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:56 pm Demarchelier to stand at Claibourne Farm. Dubawi colt with a top class pedigree.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... rm-in-2020
I'm really intrigued what sort of mares he will receive with his predominantly turf pedigree. I hope American breeders will give him a chance.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:53 pm

Authorized and Bodemeister(?!) are off to Turkey.
http://www.yarisdergisi.com/two-new-sta ... ys-roster/
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Miss Woodford wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:53 pm Authorized and Bodemeister(?!) are off to Turkey.
http://www.yarisdergisi.com/two-new-sta ... ys-roster/
I'm kind of surprised Darley would part with Authorized at all. Their French base is usually where they send their less popular stallions/less successful stallions, but they don't sell stallions that often at all.

Selling Bodemeister is a classic WinStar move, but I'm still really surprised. I guess beyond Always Dreaming and American Anthem, he hasn't produced much, but he still covered 130 mares in 2018, the year he had a Derby winner in his first crop - his best foals could still be out there. When was the last time that a horse advertised for a $25,000 was sold overseas? Usually it's a much lower price range that's getting the boot.

I don't really follow Turkish horse racing, but with the gradually nicer stallions they are purchasing, it seems like they are genuinely trying to improve their industry. Do they buy any nice mares? I don't really know of any Turkish bred horse that's made noise internationally, despite them buying nicer and nicer stallions.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:37 am

Starine wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:50 pm
hadrianmarcus wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:56 pm Demarchelier to stand at Claibourne Farm. Dubawi colt with a top class pedigree.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... rm-in-2020
I'm really intrigued what sort of mares he will receive with his predominantly turf pedigree. I hope American breeders will give him a chance.
I love Demarchelier's pedigree and he's outstanding-looking. He clearly had talent. But it's interesting that he's getting a shot (and I'm thrilled he is), while there was apparently insufficient interest in standing the more accomplished Dubawi son Mubtaahij in the US. Maybe Peter Brant was the driving force behind it and Mubtaahij's owner didn't want to support him. I don't know the circumstances, obviously.
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Northport wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:06 am
Miss Woodford wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:53 pm Authorized and Bodemeister(?!) are off to Turkey.
http://www.yarisdergisi.com/two-new-sta ... ys-roster/
I'm kind of surprised Darley would part with Authorized at all. Their French base is usually where they send their less popular stallions/less successful stallions, but they don't sell stallions that often at all.

Selling Bodemeister is a classic WinStar move, but I'm still really surprised. I guess beyond Always Dreaming and American Anthem, he hasn't produced much, but he still covered 130 mares in 2018, the year he had a Derby winner in his first crop - his best foals could still be out there. When was the last time that a horse advertised for a $25,000 was sold overseas? Usually it's a much lower price range that's getting the boot.

I don't really follow Turkish horse racing, but with the gradually nicer stallions they are purchasing, it seems like they are genuinely trying to improve their industry. Do they buy any nice mares? I don't really know of any Turkish bred horse that's made noise internationally, despite them buying nicer and nicer stallions.
The only reason he was still at $25,000 was because of Always Dreaming. That he hasn't sired anything else of note really besides Always Dreaming, who did virtually nothing after the Derby win, makes me not surprised that they chose to sell him. I'd be really surprised if he got a decent size book of mares in 2019. Even in 2018, the year after his Derby winner, his mares bred was his lowest ever, though still 130.

I wish him better luck in Turkey. Maybe he can become their hot new stallion.

I haven't ever seen them spend big money on mares. From what I've noticed they tend to buy cheaper mares with some family/pedigree behind them.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:27 am

How long until Always Dreaming is off?

Also, I think it's weird how like all of their castoffs stallions go to Korea or Turkey and never to a regional market.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:42 am

Does anyone want to make bets on how long Always Dreaming remains at WinStar?
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