Stallion News

starrydreamer · Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:42 am

Northport wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:36 pm It's kind of hilarious and telling of the North American industry when the top 3 third year stallions are Take Charge Indy (exported to Korea), Declaration of War (exported to Japan), and Shanghai Bobby (Exported to Japan).

Yeah yeah yeah, Take Charge Indy is coming back, I know.

Right? It makes me giggle - although what a boondoggle for Japanese breeders. I am, however, very glad Take Charge Indy is coming back.

Mylute · Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:27 am

I do have to wonder if the DOW and SB sale is actually a lease of some kind like Lane's End did with the factor. If DOW's Decorated Invader keeps on going I would imagine Coolmore might want him back.

Anyone find it weird they don't have a Japanese operation like Darley? Or do they?

Flanders · Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:17 am

Mylute wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:27 am I do have to wonder if the DOW and SB sale is actually a lease of some kind like Lane's End did with the factor. If DOW's Decorated Invader keeps on going I would imagine Coolmore might want him back.

Anyone find it weird they don't have a Japanese operation like Darley? Or do they?

Shanghai Bobby was definitely sold to Japan. Declaration of War, the US news articles made it sound like a lease but the Japanese news articles made it sound like he was sold to Japan.

I mean I'm sure if Coolmore really wanted a Japanese branch they could try to get a JRA license but its not easy. Its a very complicated process that takes a very long time. It took Darley over 10 years to get their JRA license in 2007 and then they lost it 4 months later. It took them awhile to get the JRA license back, I'm not really sure how long it took as I couldn't find anything that said when they actually got it back. One report I read said since they had to start over from scratch it would be 2010 at the earliest. Coolmore may not feel its worth the time and effort to try and get a license.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ra-license <--- the article from 2007.

Retrospectiv · Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:22 pm

VERRAZANO sold to Brazil.

Just waiting to see which daily publishes it first.

BaroqueAgain1 · Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:47 pm

Looks like that would be Bloodhorse.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... n-breeders

Mylute · Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:19 pm

"What's Spendthrift gonna do with all their other stallions?"

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... ed-to-ohio

Mylute · Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:27 pm

Wonder where Tizdejavu moved to. He's not on Crestwood's website anymore.

EDIT: To the shock of literally no one, Revolutionary is off to South Korea.

Mylute · Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:25 pm

Not technically a stallion anymore but I still think he qualifies for this thread anyway.

Overdriven is listed in the available graduates page of New Vocations.
http://www.horseadoption.com/horseprofiles/overdriven/

Flanders · Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:20 am

Mylute wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:27 pm Wonder where Tizdejavu moved to. He's not on Crestwood's website anymore.

EDIT: To the shock of literally no one, Revolutionary is off to South Korea.

he doesn't have a report of mares bred for 2019. i wonder if he moved before the season or if there was no interest.

Northport · Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:45 am

I know all these farms are businesses, some (Spendthrift, WinStar, Coolmore) more commercially driven than others (Darley, Adena Springs, Claiborne), but I had a (maybe obvious to some) realization : are any of these farms actually interested in creating stallions?

Like, yes, they have a bottom line and shareholders who need returns, but having a stallion cover 400~ mares in his first 2-3 seasons, then sell him to a regional market once he has recouped his purchase price and (often) before his 2nd or even 1st crop has hit the track... like, that isn't a stallion making business, it's barely even a 'farming' or racing business.

You're all welcome for this 'hot take' of the day. More pie in the sky stuff from a millennial who can't afford to own one leg of a racehorse.

Somnambulist · Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:27 am

Northport wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:45 am I know all these farms are businesses, some (Spendthrift, WinStar, Coolmore) more commercially driven than others (Darley, Adena Springs, Claiborne), but I had a (maybe obvious to some) realization : are any of these farms actually interested in creating stallions?

Like, yes, they have a bottom line and shareholders who need returns, but having a stallion cover 400~ mares in his first 2-3 seasons, then sell him to a regional market once he has recouped his purchase price and (often) before his 2nd or even 1st crop has hit the track... like, that isn't a stallion making business, it's barely even a 'farming' or racing business.

You're all welcome for this 'hot take' of the day. More pie in the sky stuff from a millennial who can't afford to own one leg of a racehorse.

Interesting take. Never really thought of it that way. Who is making them then?

If I've learned anything having money does not often correlate with intelligence so your own tax bracket doesn't mean anything.

Mylute · Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:22 am

Well this is interesting. Originally this dude was going to stand somewhere in South America, but now he's going to New York. He could still shuttle, but not this year as he is evidently at the farm and viewable.

Leofric to Stand 2020 Season at Rockridge Stud in New York
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... -new-york/

~ Also, to add to the hot take, I think it's interesting when a farm or syndicate acquires a stallion and then appears to not send a single mare to him (i.e. Hansen and Coolmore). Why would you get a prospect and then not support him in that way? That would be like spending a lot of money on a mare and then only breeding her like twice or none at all.

Ziggypop · Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:14 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:20 am
Mylute wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:27 pm Wonder where Tizdejavu moved to. He's not on Crestwood's website anymore.

EDIT: To the shock of literally no one, Revolutionary is off to South Korea.
This is likely to be unpopular, but I have lost all respect for Winstar.

he doesn't have a report of mares bred for 2019. i wonder if he moved before the season or if there was no interest.

TapitsGal · Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:23 pm

The farm in Brazil that Verrezano is going to is listed on Google as permanently closed? Weird

TapitsGal · Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:24 pm

Spendthrift has freed up two of the five needed stalls for their five new stallions of 2020...I'm waiting and kind of dreading seeing who goes next..they still need an additional empty three..I'm wondering which horses that'll be..cross traffic maybe?

Mylute · Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:20 pm

Darley Australia newcomer Kementari found to be subfertile
https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/b ... ile/401555

BaroqueAgain1 · Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:23 pm

I hope solutions can be found for the handsome son of Lonhro.
IIRC, Starspangledbanner was also deemed 'subfertile,' but he has apparently responded to whatever treatment he got and is siring good runners.

Starine · Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:26 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:23 pm I hope solutions can be found for the handsome son of Lonhro.
IIRC, Starspangledbanner was also deemed 'subfertile,' but he has apparently responded to whatever treatment he got and is siring good runners.

When I read the article I thought of Starspangledbanner too. I hope they are able to resolve Kementari's issues similarly.

Also, I hate to hijack the thread but is anyone else surprised by how much the Pharoahs seem to prefer turf? I mean, I figured he would get winners on both surfaces but I didn't think there would be this much of a disparity.

CorridorZ75 · Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:27 pm

Northport wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:45 am I know all these farms are businesses, some (Spendthrift, WinStar, Coolmore) more commercially driven than others (Darley, Adena Springs, Claiborne), but I had a (maybe obvious to some) realization : are any of these farms actually interested in creating stallions?

Like, yes, they have a bottom line and shareholders who need returns, but having a stallion cover 400~ mares in his first 2-3 seasons, then sell him to a regional market once he has recouped his purchase price and (often) before his 2nd or even 1st crop has hit the track... like, that isn't a stallion making business, it's barely even a 'farming' or racing business.

You're all welcome for this 'hot take' of the day. More pie in the sky stuff from a millennial who can't afford to own one leg of a racehorse.

Honestly, when you see the same mare has been sent to the next newly retired buzz stallion year after year, regardless of sireline or physical, it makes one wonder if any breeder is all that worried about breeding a racehorse or just a good turn around at the initial yearling sales.

Starine · Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:29 pm

CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:27 pmHonestly, when you see the same mare has been sent to the next newly retired buzz stallion year after year, regardless of sireline or physical, it makes one wonder if any breeder is all that worried about breeding a racehorse or just a good turn around at the initial yearling sales.

Well, the curious thing to me is that I would think you would want to send her to the more proven stallion, particularly if he is getting up there in years. They aren't going to be around forever.