Matings 2019

bare it all · Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:17 pm

So happy to see Mind Your Biscuits with such a nice book of mares. I can't imagine he would have had a book like that in the US?

Any details on mares who might have visited him?

Mylute · Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Song to the Moon (dam of Jeltrin) ---> Tapwrit

tachyon · Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:51 am

hadrianmarcus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:42 am
tachyon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:04 am
BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:00 pm I see that Orfevre had a drop from 136 to 52. Does that indicate some disappointment in his foals?
Orfevre(JPN), 3rd crop sire, managed to sire two G1 winners (2yo champ filly Lucky Lilac and Satsuki Sho winner Epoca d'Oro) from his first crop.
But his winners-to-runners ratio in JRA for his first crop shrunk to 29%.
Hence the drop.
On the other hand, Gold Ship seems to have has a nice little start, especially in view of the fact neither his number of mares or quality of mares compare to Orfevre's
(or most of the Shadai stallions for that matter.) I really want one of Stay Gold's sons to be a big. success.

I'm rather optimistic about it.
Orfevre may still rebound.
And there are other Stay Gold's G1 winners who are still in training.

tachyon · Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:01 am

bare it all wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:17 pm So happy to see Mind Your Biscuits with such a nice book of mares. I can't imagine he would have had a book like that in the US?

Any details on mares who might have visited him?

We may not find the details until December.

Here are some picks of his.
https://db.netkeiba.com/v1.1/?pid=horse ... 000a01392e

Mylute · Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:09 pm

How big was Talismanic's book?

KatieK101 · Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:49 pm

Per Thoroughbred Daily News, Eight Rings dam Purely Hot was “most recently” bred to Union Rags.

Mylute · Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:29 pm

Bourbonesque (dam of Mongolian Groom) ---> Cloud Computing (she didn't get in foal)
https://www.paulickreport.com/features/ ... -pedigree/

tachyon · Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:35 am

Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'Oro) 113

Mylute · Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:51 pm

The article about Order of St. George being the most popular freshman sire of 2019 also mentioned that Hawbill only got 39 this year. Poet's Word only got 30. Woosh.

Starine · Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:14 pm

tachyon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:35 am Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'Oro) 113

Thanks. Do you know if he got any good racemares or broodmares?

Flanders · Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:04 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:51 pm The article about Order of St. George being the most popular freshman sire of 2019 also mentioned that Hawbill only got 39 this year. Poet's Word only got 30. Woosh.

I'm guessing the few amount of mares is the reason he was sold to be a flat/national hunt stallion earlier this year.

Northport · Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:35 am

No kidding. It's hard out there for middle distance stallions who aren't by Galileo and/or standing at Coolmore's main division. I'm surprised that Poet's Word got so so few. Just my opinion, but I don't think Shadwell is the best stallion operation. With all of the money and group/graded winners they've had come through their program in the last 30 years, they just can't seem to get a star stallion off the ground, besides Green Desert. Maybe Muharaar will be the one.

tachyon · Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:00 pm

Starine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:14 pm
tachyon wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:35 am Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'Oro) 113
Thanks. Do you know if he got any good racemares or broodmares?

I have only had the numbers so far.

Numbers of mares bred in Japan 2019

-- Darley Japan

Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2019 -- (number of mares bred in 2018)

Admire Moon(JPN) (End Sweep) 76 (170)
American Patriot(USA) (War Front) 109 (154)
Discreet Cat(USA) (Forestry) 143 (168)
Fine Needle(JPN) (Admire Moon) 101 (new)
Furioso(JPN) (Brian's Time) 175 (131)
Monterosso(GB) (Dubawi) 66 (86)
Pyro(USA) (Pulpit) 126 (151)
Talismanic(GB) (Medaglia d'oro) 113 (new)

tachyon · Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:50 pm

-- Numbers of mares bred by principal studs in Japan
( 2019 -- 2018 -- 2017)

Arrow Stud 996 1067 985
Big Red Farm 318 383 565
Breeders SS 1093 1372 1400
Darley Japan 909 873 572
East Stud 929 714 698
JBBA 580 523 464
Lex Stud 962 671 793
Shadai SS 4079 4118 4104
Yushun SS 1436 1470 1201
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Total Number 11302 11191 10782

2019 numbers mares bred by studs.PNG

Mylute · Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:14 pm

The FT Saratoga Fall Sale, at a glance.

Bema's Gold ---> Army Mule (half to Due Dilligence)
Balabusta ---> Army Mule (descendant of Golden Trail)
Beautiful Illusion ---> Army Mule (descendant of Beautiful America)
Bodaki ---> Central Banker (family of Tricky Creek)

Candy d'Oro ---> Tapwrit (family of Candy Ride)
Cyclical ---> Battalion Runner (what)

CorridorZ75 · Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:47 pm

Northport wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:35 am No kidding. It's hard out there for middle distance stallions who aren't by Galileo and/or standing at Coolmore's main division. I'm surprised that Poet's Word got so so few. Just my opinion, but I don't think Shadwell is the best stallion operation. With all of the money and group/graded winners they've had come through their program in the last 30 years, they just can't seem to get a star stallion off the ground, besides Green Desert. Maybe Muharaar will be the one.

I think it also did not work in his favor that Dubawi really hasn't established a strong sire line yet. He has Makfi-Make Believe, but that is only so-so, and I believe his daughters haven't produced much either.

Mylute · Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:50 am

CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:47 pm
Northport wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:35 am No kidding. It's hard out there for middle distance stallions who aren't by Galileo and/or standing at Coolmore's main division. I'm surprised that Poet's Word got so so few. Just my opinion, but I don't think Shadwell is the best stallion operation. With all of the money and group/graded winners they've had come through their program in the last 30 years, they just can't seem to get a star stallion off the ground, besides Green Desert. Maybe Muharaar will be the one.
I think it also did not work in his favor that Dubawi really hasn't established a strong sire line yet. He has Makfi-Make Believe, but that is only so-so, and I believe his daughters haven't produced much either.

His best grandkid (through daughters) is Dream Castle, who won a G1 in the UAE. His "son in law" is Frankel, so that might be a new cross.

iceaxe · Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:19 pm

Any one has the list of mares Frankel covered this year (2019)?

Mylute · Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:31 pm

Chickasaw Gal ---> Shaman Ghost (i/f, family of Cairo Prince)

tachyon · Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:27 am

Numbers of mares bred in Japan 2019

-- JBBA

Stallion Name -- (stallion's stallion) -- number of mares bred in 2019 -- (number of mares bred in 2018)

Aldebaran(USA) (Mr. Prospector) 31 (26)
Bago(FR) (Nashwan) 110 (37)
Came Home(USA) (Gone West) 51 (32)
Cape Blanco(IRE) (Galileo) 17 (32)
Creator(USA) (Tapit) 39 (38)
David Junior(USA) (Pleasant Tap) 3 (3)
Declaration of War(USA) (War Front) 152 (new)
Eskendereya(USA) (Giant's Causeway) 43 (41)
Makfi(GB) (Dubawi) 105 (107)
Squirtle Squirt(USA) (Marquetry) 6 (8)
Sunningdale(JPN) (Warning) 2 (1)