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BaroqueAgain1
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:10 am

IMHO, Mr. Ramsey might want to step back and decide what is most important for Kitten's Joy and/or for himself.
Does he want to create the greatest profit from the horse's career, which might justify the present fee? Or does he want to ensure a great legacy for the stallion, with the highest QUALITY in his offspring? That would need to especially apply to his colts, as being a sire of sires is the hallmark of a great stallion.
If it's about the money, then just massage the fees for max profit. Maybe listen to the advice about how better mares will raise sales prices? ;) :P
But if it's about KJ's legacy, then maybe creating a partnership with someone who could bring more high quality mares to KJ would make sense...even if it means that Ken gives up part ownership.
If that means a move to a top European farm, that could be helpful; it would surely provide access to better grass mares. I wonder how many weren't sent to him, even if the owners wanted to breed to KJ, because shipping a valuable mare across the Atlantic was not appealing. If he's just a van ride down the road or across the Chunnel, that might be appealing.
Just thinking...
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:56 pm

Any interested euro parties must have scoffed at the price he was demanding, right?
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:13 pm

Horsebagger wrote:Any interested euro parties must have scoffed at the price he was demanding, right?
Surely.

The beauty of his well spun PR tale is underappreciated.
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:27 pm

I forgot to add to my post that a move to Europe would have necessitated a drop in fee to be more in line with Euro stud prices. He has to compete with Galileo, Frankel and Dubawi, so being an attractively-price alternative needs to be part of the move.
BaroqueAgain1
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Frank Stronach is selling Adena Springs, which may mean that stallions like Awesome Again, Fort Larned, Ghostzapper, Mucho Macho Man and Macho Uno will be moving to new homes.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... p-for-sale
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:26 pm

i'd be sick if some lousy strip mall developer bought it...
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:39 pm

Glad to see Stronach's plan includes improving the breeding and racing industry in California. They need improving. But, not that I'd expect him to establish a stud farm in Oregon or Washington, I wish every once in awhile he'd at least mention that he also owns Portland Meadows.

Stronach To Put Adena Springs Up for Sale
...While Stronach still has many decisions to make concerning the overall direction the Adena Springs operation will take, one thing is clear: its future will more and more be in Maryland and California and less in Kentucky. Adena Springs is already a major breeder in Florida. Stronach owns racetracks in California (Santa Anita and Golden Gate Fields), in Maryland (Laurel and Pimlico) and in Florida (Gulftstream). He does not own a racetrack in Kentucky.

“That is the bottom line, what can I do to help racing in California and in Maryland?” he said. “I have to get better bloodlines there and better stallions.”

Adena Springs stands a number of top stallions in Kentucky, including Awesome Again and Ghostzapper, and Stronach said that all are candidates to be moved to other states. When asked if his best stallions may wind up in California or, perhaps, Maryland, he replied: “That’s quite possible. Absolutely.” He also said he would look to acquire new stallions to bolster his future operations in Maryland and California. If any Adena stallions are moved out of Kentucky, Stronach said the earliest that will happen will be after the 2018 breeding season.
More: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/st ... -for-sale/
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:00 pm

Kitten's Joy going to Hill N Dale. The farm purchased 50% interest. Can't wait to see what this stallion can do with a top quality book.
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:02 pm

Natalma wrote:Kitten's Joy going to Hill N Dale. The farm purchased 50% interest. Can't wait to see what this stallion can do with a top quality book.
Judging from his offspring from the high quality mares he had been getting, they should be pretty good.

Ramsey is selling a decent amount of broodmares. Have I missed anything about money problems?
BaroqueAgain1
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:49 pm

It's possible that, for KJ to get the support he needed from a top farm, selling a sizable percentage of the horse was something that had to happen. I've haven't read anything about money problems, but Ken is getting up there in years.
Also not surprising that he's trimming his broodmare band. Heck, even Godolphin has sold a good many of their mares, and I'm pretty sure Sheikh Mo is NOT having money problems. :lol:

ETA: I see that KJ's fee is dropping to $60,000 at HnD. A sensible move, IMO.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... dale-farms
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:54 am

I recall sometime earlier this year there was discussion about Ramsey cutting back on what he owned and a focus on quality over quantity. Maybe focusing more on sales and running in G1 company versus winning claiming titles. I think his kids/grandkids were pushing this. Can't dig up the article at work.
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:08 am

bare it all wrote:I recall sometime earlier this year there was discussion about Ramsey cutting back on what he owned and a focus on quality over quantity. Maybe focusing more on sales and running in G1 company versus winning claiming titles. I think his kids/grandkids were pushing this. Can't dig up the article at work.
Ah - missed that bit of news. That makes sense, then. Money problems doesn't really make sense considering the quality of the mares I saw booked in the sales. He is not selling his best broodmares.
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:24 pm

Grade 1 winning Australian bred Medaglia D'Oro colt, Astern, reverse shuttling to Kentucky:


http://www.horseracingnation.com/news/M ... n_2018_123
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:36 pm

Astern is handsome, but he had his greatest success as a two-year-old. Looks like Darley is going to stand their own version of a precocious MdO colt, like Coolmore's Golden Slipper winner, Vancouver.
Both colts are stunners, although I think I like Vancouver's looks better. I'm eager to see how the two MdO boys do in the US, as their offspring could reasonably excel on both dirt and turf.
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:21 pm

Holy Boss Retired to Maryland’s Anchor & Hope Farm
‘TDN Rising Star’ Holy Boss (Street Boss–Holy Grace, by Holy Bull), winner of the 2015 GII Amsterdam S. and third in that year’s GI King’s Bishop S., has been retired from racing and will enter stud for 2018 at Anchor & Hope Farm.

Bred by Adena Springs, Holy Boss graduated by better than 10 lengths at first asking, earning the Rising Star designation, and won his first four starts at three, capped by a 2 1/4-length victory in the Amsterdam. He was behind champion Runhappy (Super Saver) in the King’s Bishop and again when a creditable fourth in the GI Breeders’ Cup Sprint. Runner-up to A. P. Indian (Indian Charlie) in the 2016 GI A. G. Vanderbilt H., Holy Boss added a victory in the Duncan F. Kenner S. at the Fair Grounds earlier this winter. He heads to stud with six wins from 22 starts and earnings of $771,527.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/ho ... hope-farm/
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:03 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Astern is handsome, but he had his greatest success as a two-year-old. Looks like Darley is going to stand their own version of a precocious MdO colt, like Coolmore's Golden Slipper winner, Vancouver.
Both colts are stunners, although I think I like Vancouver's looks better. I'm eager to see how the two MdO boys do in the US, as their offspring could reasonably excel on both dirt and turf.
Astern was a G2 winner at 2 with $218,888 in earnings.

At 3, he was a G1 winner with earnings of $663,273
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:46 pm

I stand corrected on his resume. :oops:
I look forward to seeing a conformation shot on both colts...that should be a pleasant comparison. :D
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:04 pm

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Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:34 pm

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:I stand corrected on his resume. :oops:
I look forward to seeing a conformation shot on both colts...that should be a pleasant comparison. :D
From a quote from someone who has seen both he and Vancouver, they said Astern is much more your typical Australian type, while Vancouver more the American type. Take that for what you will...
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:45 pm

Dual Grade 1 Winner Gormley Retired To Spendthrift Farm
Gormley, Malibu Moon's winner of the FrontRunner S. (G1) at two and Santa Anita Derby (G1) this year at 3, has been retired from racing and taken up residency at B. Wayne Hughes' Spendthrift Farm in Lexington, KY, where he will enter stud new for 2018.

Now available for inspection, Gormley is the newest stallion to be offered through Spendthrift's renowned Share The Upside program. His Share The Upside fee will be $12,500 on a two-year commitment, and breeders will earn a lifetime breeding right beginning in 2020 after having two live foals and paying the stud fees. For the first time, Spendthrift is offering breeders the option of breeding two mares the first year in 2018, however, to earn the lifetime breeding right they must also breed at least one mare in 2019 free of charge. For breeders not interested in the Share The Upside program, Gormley will be offered for $10,000 on a standard stands and nurses contract.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloo ... rift-farm/
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