I think when they sell very low like that or don't sell at all then the vet check is unfortunately not that good.brunanas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:27 pm #2866 (Get Stormy — Charming She Is) had gotten to $2,000 but all bidders removed their bids so she left the ring at $0. there are no conformation shots of her and her page is pretty plain, but she didn't look... bad? i wonder what put buyers off of her so much.
same with this Honor Code, also got to $2,000 and then back to $0. page also empty, you can see through the 4th dam, but he also doesn't look horrible? not the most beautiful horse in the sale, but dang. must suck for the breeder.
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Gary Barber is buying a lot of War of Wills.starrydreamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:50 am Session 9 horses I like...
Hip 2793 - c. Kantharos x Warrior Hall - his female family traces back to Courtly Dee. 15,000
Hip 2795 - f. Higher Power x What What What 65,000
Hip 2801 - c. Union Rags x Wizardry 7,000
Hip 2822 - f. Liam's Map x August Snow 80,000
Hip 2826 - f. Liam's Map x Bareeqa 30,000
Hip 2828 - c. Caravaggio x Becky's Best - he's half to Becky's Joker, who won the Schuylerville this year, and he's a looker. Also he's listed as grey but I'm not sure he's greying out? 200,000
Hip 2829 - c. Honor AP x Beersheeba - that is definitely a gulastra plume. 30,000
Hip 2856 - f. Improbable x Caribbean Babe 37,000
Hip 2885 - c. Nyquist x Cut in Stone 7,000
Hip 2896 - c. Daredevil x Delightful 165,000
Hip 2899 - f. Honor AP x Diastole - maybe the least flashy Honor AP I've seen. 70,000
Hip 2906 - c. Malibu Moon x Dude Fantasy OUT
Hip 2919 - c. McKinzie x Enamored - FLASHY dude. 32,000
Hip 2925 - f. Ghostzapper x Everything - female family of Arcangelo. 240,000
Hip 2930 - c. McKinzie x Fashion Island - family of Rhyme Schemes, who won the Saratoga Special this year. 50,000
Hip 2939 - c. Runhappy x Forever Beautiful 25,000
Hip 2948 - c. Kitten's Joy x Glittering Tax - no photo or video for him but I'm a little surprised to see Miss Temple City's half brother. He really must be backwards. 30,000
Hip 2974 - c. Caravaggio x Irish Teardrop (GB) - he has a nice turf pedigree.52,000
Hip 2985 - c. Higher Power x JP's Flashy Honey - pedigree is meh but I think he's nice looking. 155,000
Hip 3025 - c. Malibu Moon x Midtown Traffic 85,000
Hip 3057 - f. War Front x Odeliz (IRE) - don't usually see War Fronts this far into the sale. 15,000
Hip 3061 - f. Echo Town x Overboard - not really the greatest pedigree but she's nice looking. 45,000
Hip 3112 - c. Union Rags x Senada 20,000
Hip 3114 - c. Uncle Mo x Sequin - because Uncle Mo is having a very good sale. 16,000
Hip 3132 - f. Thousand Words x Starluna 85,000
Hip 3138 - c. Twirling Candy x Storm Showers 7,000
Hip 3147 - c. War of Will x Stunning Lady 125,000
Hip 3148 - f. Constitution x Succeeding - another from the Teeming female family. 35,000
Hip 3164 - f. McKinzie x Tapped OUT
Hip 3186 - c. Caravaggio x Truly Mine - it's possible I just want this one to be my pony. 22,000
Hip 3196 - f. Catholic Boy x Unfold the Rose - no photo/video, but she's half to Stephanie's Kitten. Unfold the Rose hasn't really produced much besides her and Heywoods Beach, so I guess that's why she's so far back in the sale. 55,000
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Session 10, lets gooooooo.
Hip 3205 - c. Get Stormy x Weekend Connection - he looks so much like Get Stormy.
Hip 3211 - c. Frosted x Whisked Away
Hip 3215 - c. Instagrand x Wild Year - this might be the nicest Instagrand I've seen so far. Also, his third dam is Summer Raven.
Hip 3224 - f. Frosted x Zero to Sixty
Hip 3230 - c. Vekoma x After the Rose - female family of Tapit.
Hip 3233 - c. Take Charge Indy x Allonge
Hip 3238 - f. Audible x Apology Accepted - female family goes back to Courtly Dee.
Hip 3268 - c. Army Mule x Big Release
Hip 3281 - c. Yoshida x Caribbean Sea
Hip 3288 - f. Vino Rosso x Chalonitka
Hip 3296 - f. Omaha Beach x City Tap
Hip 3314 - c. Midshipman x Crystian d'Oro
Hip 3354 - f. Volatile x Foxy Medal
Hip 3369 - c. Not This Time x Golden Muscade
Hip 3399 - c. Mastery x It Justhitthe Wire
Hip 3408 - f. Tonalist x Kit Kat Jo
Hip 3419 - c. Practical Joke x Langtry
Hip 3443 - f. Union Rags x Majestic Monarch - female family of Upstart
Hip 3478 - f. Mendelssohn x Navajo - family of Last Samurai
Hip 3482 - f. Volatile x Nite Delite
This one is already out, but I'm pretty sure she's black - https://catalog.keeneland.com/catalog/hip/3486
Hip 3521 - c. Blame x Relaxing Green - full to Marley's Freedom, also the dam has 10 winners from 10 to race (out of 13 total foals).
Hip 3531 - f. Catalina Cruiser x Sail On - 4th dam is My Flag.
Hip 3536 - c. Mineshaft x Sea Holiday - he's so fat but I think he looks balanced.
Hip 3541 - f. Cloud Computing x She's Roughin It
Hip 3561 - f. Daredevil x South Bank - she's grey but there's a big white spot on her butt.
Hip 3565 - f. Global Campaign x Starry Expectation - her second dam is half sister to War Front's dam.
Hip 3566 - c. Clearly Now x Stars Forever - his second dam is half to Take Charge Lady.
Hip 3580 - f. War of Will x Sweet Candy Dance
Hip 3602 - c. Alternation x Turko Treat - female family of Point Given
Hip 3205 - c. Get Stormy x Weekend Connection - he looks so much like Get Stormy.
Hip 3211 - c. Frosted x Whisked Away
Hip 3215 - c. Instagrand x Wild Year - this might be the nicest Instagrand I've seen so far. Also, his third dam is Summer Raven.
Hip 3224 - f. Frosted x Zero to Sixty
Hip 3230 - c. Vekoma x After the Rose - female family of Tapit.
Hip 3233 - c. Take Charge Indy x Allonge
Hip 3238 - f. Audible x Apology Accepted - female family goes back to Courtly Dee.
Hip 3268 - c. Army Mule x Big Release
Hip 3281 - c. Yoshida x Caribbean Sea
Hip 3288 - f. Vino Rosso x Chalonitka
Hip 3296 - f. Omaha Beach x City Tap
Hip 3314 - c. Midshipman x Crystian d'Oro
Hip 3354 - f. Volatile x Foxy Medal
Hip 3369 - c. Not This Time x Golden Muscade
Hip 3399 - c. Mastery x It Justhitthe Wire
Hip 3408 - f. Tonalist x Kit Kat Jo
Hip 3419 - c. Practical Joke x Langtry
Hip 3443 - f. Union Rags x Majestic Monarch - female family of Upstart
Hip 3478 - f. Mendelssohn x Navajo - family of Last Samurai
Hip 3482 - f. Volatile x Nite Delite
This one is already out, but I'm pretty sure she's black - https://catalog.keeneland.com/catalog/hip/3486
Hip 3521 - c. Blame x Relaxing Green - full to Marley's Freedom, also the dam has 10 winners from 10 to race (out of 13 total foals).
Hip 3531 - f. Catalina Cruiser x Sail On - 4th dam is My Flag.
Hip 3536 - c. Mineshaft x Sea Holiday - he's so fat but I think he looks balanced.
Hip 3541 - f. Cloud Computing x She's Roughin It
Hip 3561 - f. Daredevil x South Bank - she's grey but there's a big white spot on her butt.
Hip 3565 - f. Global Campaign x Starry Expectation - her second dam is half sister to War Front's dam.
Hip 3566 - c. Clearly Now x Stars Forever - his second dam is half to Take Charge Lady.
Hip 3580 - f. War of Will x Sweet Candy Dance
Hip 3602 - c. Alternation x Turko Treat - female family of Point Given
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Trinniberg's 1/2 brother goes for just $22k. Must've vetted poorly, I assume.
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52K for Blame/Dancing Belle - family of Last Gunfighter and Tiger Moth.
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Depends really. His highest and lowest price have been fillies. Average for the 23 that have sold so far is 75.6k. Highest price 250k, lowest price 6.5k. 10 were 35k or lower (that was his stud fee in 2021). He doesn't have anymore in the sale, his 2 in session 11 are outs and none in session 12.
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I'm waiting to see what the Always Dreaming's that are in the sale go for. His average for the year is 5.4k. His only 3 in the entire sale are in Session 11 and 12(he also had one Out in one of these sessions).
I do have a question though, is it common for yearlings to go through the sale with front shoes? While I haven't looked at every horse through the sale, I looked at a lot and this is the first one I've seen in shoes. I would guess that means the horse has really bad feet?
I do have a question though, is it common for yearlings to go through the sale with front shoes? While I haven't looked at every horse through the sale, I looked at a lot and this is the first one I've seen in shoes. I would guess that means the horse has really bad feet?
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Almost all the sales yearlings wear front shoes. Some have back shoes on as well. The pea stone walkways where they're shown to buyers (often as many as 100 times) are very hard on their feet. Plus, the vast majority of those yearlings have never spent time on a surface other than grass before shipping to the sale so their feet haven't previously had a need to toughen up.Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:03 am I'm waiting to see what the Always Dreaming's that are in the sale go for. His average for the year is 5.4k. His only 3 in the entire sale are in Session 11 and 12(he also had one Out in one of these sessions).
I do have a question though, is it common for yearlings to go through the sale with front shoes? While I haven't looked at every horse through the sale, I looked at a lot and this is the first one I've seen in shoes. I would guess that means the horse has really bad feet?
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the Bernardinis seem to be selling awful this year (in general).
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Depends really. His highest and lowest price have been fillies. Average for the 23 that have sold so far is 75.6k. Highest price 250k, lowest price 6.5k. 10 were 35k or lower (that was his stud fee in 2021). He doesn't have anymore in the sale, his 2 in session 11 are outs and none in session 12.
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I’m sad…I miss Bernie. I didn’t expect colts to sell, admittedly….ah well, thanks! I’m sure the fillies will be very valuable one day
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the Bernardinis seem to be selling awful this year (in general).
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Even the fillies?
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Depends really. His highest and lowest price have been fillies. Average for the 23 that have sold so far is 75.6k. Highest price 250k, lowest price 6.5k. 10 were 35k or lower (that was his stud fee in 2021). He doesn't have anymore in the sale, his 2 in session 11 are outs and none in session 12.
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I’m sad…I miss Bernie. I didn’t expect colts to sell, admittedly….ah well, thanks! I’m sure the fillies will be very valuable one day
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War Fronts aren't selling that badly. 21 in the sale, 4 out. 7 RNAs (+ 1 private sale). The War Front x Odeliz filly was an outlier because she sold for $15,000. His average sale price is $221,000. Last year's Sept yearling average price for him was $227,000. 2021's was $320,000. Since Coolmore stopped supporting him with all their lovely Galileo mares, the quality of mare he's been getting has gone down a little. So the drop in sale price makes sense but isn't a dramatic drop off. He is also 21 years old, so he's nearing the end of his breeding days anyway. He has always had a limited book and fertility issues. I'm fully expecting him to be pensioned in the next year or two.
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The Roman Candle filly went for $8K to "Imagine."
The lone Calculator RNA'd for $24K.
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Hip 3820 Dialed In x Pussycat Doll goes for just $10k.
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Who bought themMiss Woodford wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:35 pm Hip 3820 Dialed In x Pussycat Doll goes for just $10k.
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Thank you, that is why I asked cause I really didn't know. And like always, nice to see you pop in now and then.TBird wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:32 amAlmost all the sales yearlings wear front shoes. Some have back shoes on as well. The pea stone walkways where they're shown to buyers (often as many as 100 times) are very hard on their feet. Plus, the vast majority of those yearlings have never spent time on a surface other than grass before shipping to the sale so their feet haven't previously had a need to toughen up.Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:03 am I'm waiting to see what the Always Dreaming's that are in the sale go for. His average for the year is 5.4k. His only 3 in the entire sale are in Session 11 and 12(he also had one Out in one of these sessions).
I do have a question though, is it common for yearlings to go through the sale with front shoes? While I haven't looked at every horse through the sale, I looked at a lot and this is the first one I've seen in shoes. I would guess that means the horse has really bad feet?