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Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:15 pm

mariasmon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:13 pm
KatieK101 wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:28 pm Off-topic, but with Galileo's passing, I'm extremely interested to see who a lot of his typical mares visit instead.
Dubawi and Wootton Bassett, probably Kingman and Frankel, as well.
I'm hoping they sent some to Siyouni and Le Havre as well, though I doubt they supported Le Havre. But maybe Siyouni because of St. Marks Basilica?
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Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm

What I find kind of odd and annoying is how some pundits are saying St Mark’s Basilica will be retired next year because Coolmore lost Galileo… like there aren’t already 20 other stallions at Coolmore to send mares to.

There is a reason Coolmore is the best racing outfit in the world, but they are known for not supporting most of their young stallions with their own top class mares (American Pharoah and Justify broke the mould there). Any top racehorse they have by a younger stallion (No Nay Never, Churchill, Australia, Camelot) were purchased at public auction or privately from Anne Marie O’Brien.

When you’ve got Galileo in the house, obviously you’re sending all the outcross mares to him, but they rely solely on external breeders to develop their young stallions before they’ll send any top mares to them.

They’re in the racehorse making business, so going to external proven stallions like War Front, Dubawi, Kingman, etc does make sense for breeding the best to the best…. But they are even moreso in the stallion making business, but they kind of hang their young guys out to dry when it comes to allocating them one of their dozens of G1 winners/producers.

Besides No Nay Never who tbh has been very hot or cold since his debut season, and perhaps the slower burning Camelot, they don’t have an obvious star on the rise, and it feels cyclical. Do they have no star young stallion because they don’t get sent star mares? Or would these stallions all be mid range stallions regardless of what mares they are sent?
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It's not like they don't have like 10 Galileo sons already
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Northport wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm What I find kind of odd and annoying is how some pundits are saying St Mark’s Basilica will be retired next year because Coolmore lost Galileo… like there aren’t already 20 other stallions at Coolmore to send mares to.

There is a reason Coolmore is the best racing outfit in the world, but they are known for not supporting most of their young stallions with their own top class mares (American Pharoah and Justify broke the mould there). Any top racehorse they have by a younger stallion (No Nay Never, Churchill, Australia, Camelot) were purchased at public auction or privately from Anne Marie O’Brien.

When you’ve got Galileo in the house, obviously you’re sending all the outcross mares to him, but they rely solely on external breeders to develop their young stallions before they’ll send any top mares to them.

They’re in the racehorse making business, so going to external proven stallions like War Front, Dubawi, Kingman, etc does make sense for breeding the best to the best…. But they are even moreso in the stallion making business, but they kind of hang their young guys out to dry when it comes to allocating them one of their dozens of G1 winners/producers.

Besides No Nay Never who tbh has been very hot or cold since his debut season, and perhaps the slower burning Camelot, they don’t have an obvious star on the rise, and it feels cyclical. Do they have no star young stallion because they don’t get sent star mares? Or would these stallions all be mid range stallions regardless of what mares they are sent?
I think they very much consider Australia a star on the rise, but that's just my impression.
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Northport wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:59 pm What I find kind of odd and annoying is how some pundits are saying St Mark’s Basilica will be retired next year because Coolmore lost Galileo… like there aren’t already 20 other stallions at Coolmore to send mares to.

There is a reason Coolmore is the best racing outfit in the world, but they are known for not supporting most of their young stallions with their own top class mares (American Pharoah and Justify broke the mould there). Any top racehorse they have by a younger stallion (No Nay Never, Churchill, Australia, Camelot) were purchased at public auction or privately from Anne Marie O’Brien.

When you’ve got Galileo in the house, obviously you’re sending all the outcross mares to him, but they rely solely on external breeders to develop their young stallions before they’ll send any top mares to them.

They’re in the racehorse making business, so going to external proven stallions like War Front, Dubawi, Kingman, etc does make sense for breeding the best to the best…. But they are even moreso in the stallion making business, but they kind of hang their young guys out to dry when it comes to allocating them one of their dozens of G1 winners/producers.

Besides No Nay Never who tbh has been very hot or cold since his debut season, and perhaps the slower burning Camelot, they don’t have an obvious star on the rise, and it feels cyclical. Do they have no star young stallion because they don’t get sent star mares? Or would these stallions all be mid range stallions regardless of what mares they are sent?
I think people are saying St. Mark's Basilica will be retired because that is what history has shown Coolmore does when it comes to a colt that has done the things he has. He is a G1SW at 2 at 7f, at 3 a G1SW at 8f, then showed he can stretch that to 10f/10.5f. If he was the type that was winning G1s at 12f all the time, he would race next year. I'm with the people who think he'll retire to stud. Sure it would be nice if he raced next year but they don't race those kind at 4. Of course he really can't cover their Galileo mares since that is his broodmare sire. But I think that is why they bought Wootton Bassett as an outcross and also maybe why they went against everything you said about them really supporting first year stallions for, as far as I know, the first time with Justify. Because they have sent him G1 winners every year he has been at stud. They have sent G1 winners to other new stallions just not many.

They also aren't afraid to send their mares where ever in the world to be covered. As an example, take Peeping Fawn.
2010 - filly by Galileo born in Ireland
2011 - colt by Henrythenavigator born in the US
2012 - no foal (was bred to Lookin At Lucky)
2012 - colt by Tapit born in Japan
2013 - colt by Deep Impact born in Japan
2014 - colt by Deep Impact born in Japan
2015 - filly by Deep Impact born in Ireland
2016 - colt by Australia born in Ireland
2017 - colt by Gleneagles born in Ireland - foaled February 22
2018 - filly by American Pharoah born in Ireland - foaled March 9 (yeah let that sink in, she foaled was immediately sent to the US, cleared quarantine and was covered and had a filly in Ireland the next year about 12 months later)
2019 - colt by Caravaggio born in Japan
2020 - colt by Daiwa Major born in Ireland
2021 - filly by Kingman born in Ireland
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mariasmon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:32 am
tachyon wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:45 am
mariasmon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:54 pm Heavenly Romance (JPN) (dam of Lani) --> Mendelssohn
Thanks (as always) for the update, MM! :D
Glad to hear that the veteran mare has been bred back this year.
I'm also wondering where her 2021 Mendelssohn filly will be trained.
Have all of Heavenly Romance's previous US-born foals been sent to Japan to train?
Heavenly Romance's 2018 Tapit filly has been named Tapit's Angel(USA) and I believe that she is still in the US.
But it looks like that filly has been unraced and I can't see if she is in training or staying in the US just for the breeding purpose.
Her 2020 Frosted filly(USA) must be in the US now, too.
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tachyon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:46 pm
mariasmon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:32 am
tachyon wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:45 am

Thanks (as always) for the update, MM! :D
Glad to hear that the veteran mare has been bred back this year.
I'm also wondering where her 2021 Mendelssohn filly will be trained.
Have all of Heavenly Romance's previous US-born foals been sent to Japan to train?
Heavenly Romance's 2018 Tapit filly has been named Tapit's Angel(USA) and I believe that she is still in the US.
But it looks like that filly has been unraced and I can't see if she is in training or staying in the US just for the breeding purpose.
Her 2020 Frosted filly(USA) must be in the US now, too.
Tapit's Angel was bred to Mendelssohn for a 2022 foal
Heavenly Romance's Frosted filly is still in the US too.
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Flanders wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:54 pm
tachyon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:46 pm
mariasmon wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:32 am

Have all of Heavenly Romance's previous US-born foals been sent to Japan to train?
Heavenly Romance's 2018 Tapit filly has been named Tapit's Angel(USA) and I believe that she is still in the US.
But it looks like that filly has been unraced and I can't see if she is in training or staying in the US just for the breeding purpose.
Her 2020 Frosted filly(USA) must be in the US now, too.
Tapit's Angel was bred to Mendelssohn for a 2022 foal
Heavenly Romance's Frosted filly is still in the US too.
Thank you! :D
Looks like Koji Maeda really likes Mendelssohn.
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Flanders: 2019 - colt by Caravaggio born in Japan

Where is this colt now? With Coolmore, that could be one of four different continents. :lol:
Has he started?
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:54 am Flanders: 2019 - colt by Caravaggio born in Japan

Where is this colt now? With Coolmore, that could be one of four different continents. :lol:
Has he started?
Appears to be named Unsung Hero but dont know where
Japan studbook says exported to Ireland (probably when its mum was exported)

Also worth noting the 2014 by Deep Impact was born in Japan, then raced in the UK in 2017 as a 3yo, had 2018 off then raced in Australia in 2019, had 2020 off and is now back in training with his third Aussie trainer.
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:07 am

Abingdon --> Uncle Mo
Afleeting Lisa (1/2 to Wise Dan) --> Caravaggio
Airs (1/2 to Covfefe) --> Uncle Mo
Ancient Secret --> American Pharoah

Baffling (1/2 to Constitution) --> Not This Time
Be Fair --> The Big Beast

Daisy Mason (1/2 to Beholder, Into Mischief, Mendelssohn) --> Not This Time
Dilmun (o/o Pachattack) --> Karankontie
Divine Presence (o/o Divine Proportions) --> Karankontie

Fancy Dress Party --> Tapit
Fascinating --> Uncle Mo
Forever Unbridled --> Seeking the Soul

House of Danzing (dam of Twirling Candy) --> Uncle Mo *not in foal

Proctor's Ledge --> Street Sense

Rising Tornado (dam of Close Hatches) --> Tapit

Salty --> Tapit
Sharing --> Into Mischief AND Tapit

Take Charge Paula --> Uncle Mo
Tapestry (IRE) --> American Pharoah
Terra Promessa --> Tapit
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:36 pm

Kaitlin Free is doing the Lord’s work on Twitter and just shared *some* of the mares Into Mischief covered this season… pretty incredible.

Abel Tasman
Afleeting Lady
American Gal
Bast
Belle of the Hall
Cavorting
Celestine
Chasing Yesterday
Cocoa Beach
Come Dancing
Daddy’s Lil Darling
Dream Pauline
Emollient
Guarana
Heavenhasmynikki
Houtzen
Isabella Sings
It Tiz Well
Lady Aurelia
Late Night Pow Wow
Midnight Lucky
Moonshine Memories
Mother Mother
New Money Honey
Paid Up Subscriber
Panty Raid
Pink Sands
Princess Noor
Rachel’s Valentina
Rayya
Restless Rider
Sailor’s Valentine
Selcourt
Sentiero Italia
Separationofpowers
Serengeti Empress
Shared Account
She’s a Julie
Sippican Harbor
Stellar Wind (!)
Streaming
Theyskens Theory
Unique Bella
Unrivaled Belle
War Flag
Wow Cat
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:04 pm

Auntie Joy --> Omaha Beach

Benner Island --> Malibu Moon

Call Pat --> Authentic

D'wildcat Speed (dam of Lady Aurelia) --> Into Mischief
Dance Quietly --> Authentic

Funny Moon --> Tiz the Law

Gomo --> Authentic

Holy Helena --> Omaha Beach

Joint Return --> Vekoma

Lull --> Tapit

Mei Ling --> Tapit
Motion Emotion --> Omaha Beach
Munny Spunt --> Authentic

Noble Beauty --> Goldencents
Noted and Quoted --> Authentic

Peace Preserver --> Authentic
Pomeroys Pistol --> Authentic

R Heat Lightning --> Authentic

Say (IRE) --> Justify
Silver Colors (o/o Winning Colors, dam of Eskimo Kisses) --> Into Mischief
Spooky Woods --> Maximum Security
Sweet N Discreet --> Tapit

Tejana --> Tapit
Time and Motion --> Omaha Beach
Tiz Midnight --> Maximum Security

Wine Princess --> Authentic
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Abel Tasman --> Into Mischief
American Gal --> Into Mischief

Bast --> Into Mischief
Bendable --> Into Mischief

Cavorting --> Into Mischief
Celestine --> Into Mischief
Chasing Yesterday --> Into Mischief
Cocoa Beach (CHI) --> Into Mischief
Cover Song --> Into Mischief

Daddys Lil Darling --> Into Mischief
Dream Tree --> Into Mischief

Emollient --> Into Mischief

Guarana --> Into Mischief

Highway Star --> Into Mischief

Jehozacat --> Into Mischief

Isabella Sings --> Into Mischief

Lady Aurelia --> Into Mischief
Light the City --> Into Mischief
Lockdown --> Into Mischief

Midnight Lucky --> Into Mischief
Moonshine Memories --> Into Mischief
My Miss Tapit --> Into Mischief

New Money Honey --> Into Mischief

Oleksandra (AUS) --> Into Mischief

Pacific Wind --> Into Mischief
Paid Up Subscriber --> Into Mischief
Pink Sands --> Into Mischief

Rachel's Valentina --> Into Mischief
Rayya --> Into Mischief
Restless Rider --> Into Mischief

Selcourt --> Into Mischief
Separationofpowers --> Into Mischief
Shared Account --> Into Mischief
She's a Julie --> Into Mischief

Sailor's Valentine --> Into Mischief
Stellar Wind --> Into Mischief
Streaming --> Into Mischief

Texting --> Into Mischief
Theyskens' Theory --> Into Mischief
Tin Type Gal --> Into Mischief

Ulele --> Into Mischief
Unique Bella --> Into Mischief
Unrivaled Belle --> Into Mischief

War Flag --> Into Mischief
Wow Cat (CHI) --> Into Mischief
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm

I have a doc to keep up with Union Rags' progeny. Here are some of his daughters with confirmed matings!

Aiden's Rag Doll (half to Portal Creek) → Noble Bird

Consider This (family of Dark Nile) → Mitole

Delta Delite (half to JJ's Lucky Train) → Honest Mischief

Fingerpaint (dam of Poe!) → Holy Boss

Lasting Union (2nd dam is Indian Vale) → Tapiture
Layla (half to Express Train) → City of Light

Marrakesh Express (family of Sky Mesa) → Global Campaign
Mississippi Sound (dam is half to Tiz The Law) → Sky Mesa

Navajo (half to Last Samuari) → Comfort

Quality to Excel (family of Gold Sun) → Maximum Security

Redbud (half to Wishful Tomcat) → Nyquist
Regal Rags (o/o Unreachable, half to Danehill, Eagle Eyed) → Maximum Security
Root Beer Rag (o/o Ask Me No Secrets) → Danzing Candy
Run and Go (half to MSWs) → Maximum Security AND Street Sense

Seam (2nd dam is Meadow Breeze) → Practical Joke
Some Kind of Blue (half to Eskimo Kisses, o/o Silver Colors) → Tiz The Law AND Caravaggio
Spiritualist (dam is half to Gone Astray) → Midshipman
Surprising Twist (2nd dam is Old Star) → Spun to Run
Sweet Sugar (half to American Sugar) → Practical Joke

Tequilita (MGSW) → Medaglia d'Oro
Twiga (half to Takeover Target, Ladies' Privilege) → Gun Runner

Unanimity (half to Courtesan, Chary) → Win Win WIn
Union Patriot (dam is half to Summer Colony) → Frosted
Union Queen (dam is half to Hot Dixie Chick, Always Dreaming) → Tapiture
Union Way (half to Ex Pirate) → Midnight Storm
Uniquely Chic (half to Awesome Flower, First Mondays) → Mastery

Wanderlust (half to I'm a Looker, family of Dortmund) → Street Sense
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Acrobatique (1/2 to Covfefe) --> Into Mischief
Afleeting Lady --> Into Mischief
Afternoon (o/o Acoma) --> Goldencents
Always a Princess --> Omaha Beach
Always On My Mind (1/2 to Without Parole, Tamarkuz) --> Into Mischief
Amarone (o/o Megahertz) --> Vekoma
American Story (dam of American Gal) --> Into Mischief
Anyhow (dam of Noble Bird) --> Authentic
Aspen Light (dam of Owendale) --> Into Mischief
Azm (o/o Marketing Mix) --> Into Mischief

Bauble Queen --> Omaha Beach
Bella Rafaela (1/2 to Twirling Candy) --> Uncle Mo
Beyond Blame --> Authentic
Blenheim Palace (o/o Pleasant Home) --> Omaha Beach
Bodaciousness (1/2 to The Factor) --> Omaha Beach
Bonita Mia (1/2 to Carina Mia) --> Into Mischief
Brooch (MGSW, dam of Mandaloun) --> Into Mischief
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:14 pm

Is this the first time that Coolmore has sent CH/MG1SW mares to an outside DIRT stallion? I see both Abel Tasman and Stellar Wind went to Into Mischief.
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Flanders wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:14 pm Is this the first time that Coolmore has sent CH/MG1SW mares to an outside DIRT stallion? I see both Abel Tasman and Stellar Wind went to Into Mischief.
No, they've sent mares to Tapit and Curlin recently.
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Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:50 pm

mariasmon wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:40 pm
Flanders wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:14 pm Is this the first time that Coolmore has sent CH/MG1SW mares to an outside DIRT stallion? I see both Abel Tasman and Stellar Wind went to Into Mischief.
No, they've sent mares to Tapit and Curlin recently.
I guess I should have added young ones to the question. I know they sent Rags To Riches to Curlin but I couldn't think of any others.
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Cafe Matcha (1/2 to Points Offthebench) --> McKinzie
Calistoga --> Authentic
Candy Fortune (dam of Hog Creek Hustle) --> Authentic
Carnival Court (1/2 to Royal Delta, Delta Prince) --> Into Mischief
Cash's Girl --> Omaha Beach
Caxambas Pass (1/2 to Point of Entry, Pine Island) --> Omaha Beach
Celestial Smile (family of Duke of Marmalade, Ruler of the World ) --> Tapwrit
Champagne Ice (full to Ruler on Ice, 1/2 to Champagne d'Oro) --> Omaha Beach
Chi Omega (o/o Joyful Victory) --> Omaha Beach
Child Please (full to Jack Milton, Peace Preserver) --> Brody's Cause
Church by the Sea (dam of Significant Form) --> McKinzie
City Sister --> Tiz the Law
Classic Strike (dam of Union Strike, Handsome Mike) --> Authentic
Cleopatra's Charm (o/o Careless Jewel) --> Omaha Beach
Code Warrior --> Authentic
Confidently (1/2 to Uncle Mo) --> Into Mischief
Conquest (IRE) (full to Minding) --> Into Mischief
Corps de Ballet --> Authentic
Courtisane (ARG) (dam of Madame Stripes) --> McKinzie
Criminologist --> Jimmy Creed
Crowned (o/o Mushka) --> Into Mischief
Curlin's Approval --> Into Mischief
Czarina (full to Angela Renee, To Honor and Serve) --> Into Mischief
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