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Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:26 pm Hip 216 - Onshore - unraced, young G1 producer(dam of Onesto), in foal to Wootton Bassett. Her dam is a full sister to TWO English Broodmares of the Year, in Hasili and Arrive. Kind of strange to see her in this sale as opposed to the Tattersalls December Mare Sale. But have to imagine she'll bring a fair bit, either going back to Europe or to Japan.

Falinadin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:08 am

Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:26 pm Hip 216 - Onshore - unraced, young G1 producer(dam of Onesto), in foal to Wootton Bassett. Her dam is a full sister to TWO English Broodmares of the Year, in Hasili and Arrive. Kind of strange to see her in this sale as opposed to the Tattersalls December Mare Sale. But have to imagine she'll bring a fair bit, either going back to Europe or to Japan.

She really stood out to me too, so I'm glad someone mentioned her. There was a recent article interviewing her owners (https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/a ... ong-mares/). I understand wanting to maximize value and selling her in order to support other ventures, but I agree that her import/exports and sale of choice is odd. In 2020 she was imported to the US while in foal to Gleneagles. The filly resulting from that breeding sold this year at Arqana (so the filly was obviously sent to Europe). Then in 2021 Onshore was bred to American Pharoah, then at some point was sent back to Europe since she's currently in foal to Wootton Bassett, and then had to have been brought back to the US, and now is selling at Fasig Tipton.
If they knew they were going to sell her this fall/winter I think they would have left in Europe to sell at Tattersalls. So I'm thinking that they brought her back to breed her to someone in the US, then she became a G1 producer and they decided to cash out, but didn't want to ship her back to Europe?

Squeaky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:56 pm Wasn’t Gamine sold once already as a broodmare? Is she in foal when being sold again? I hope she finds a good long term home this time.

Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:07 am That's what is weird. She foaled her American Pharoah filly in Ireland on April 21st. Then she was bred back to Wootton Bassett with a last cover of June 5th. Onesto won the G1 Grand Prix De Paris on July 14th. Unless they pulled her filly and sent Onshore to the US immediately, it seems strange to have purposefully spent the money to ship her to the US just to sell. I mean whoever wants to buy her would go to either sale. I think she must have just shipped back cause her Returns is still pending with the Jockey Club.

Falinadin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:10 am there's nothing really worthy of her in the US

Mylute wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:55 am

Falinadin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:10 am there's nothing really worthy of her in the US

Let's be honest, the only ones that were (other than War Front, maybe MDO and Tapit as a wildcard) are deceased now - Kitten's Joy, More Than Ready, and English Channel. But two of those wouldn't have been used anyway because they aren't "commercial."

Mylute wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:25 am Reckon why they are selling Campanelle instead of keeping her as a Broodmare.

RachelAlexandra24 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:21 am

Mylute wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:25 am Reckon why they are selling Campanelle instead of keeping her as a Broodmare.

Same here, Stonestreet generally doesn’t sell mares like this, usually they retain them for the broodmare band.

Gemini wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:54 pm

Mylute wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:26 pm It could be that Briland entered her preemptively "just in case." She is a homebred, but in the current era, if a smaller operation gets a big mare they will usually sell her instead of retaining in the program.

I wonder if Secret Oath's performance at the Breeders Cup will change her entry in the sale.

Falinadin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:08 am

Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:26 pm Hip 216 - Onshore - unraced, young G1 producer(dam of Onesto), in foal to Wootton Bassett. Her dam is a full sister to TWO English Broodmares of the Year, in Hasili and Arrive. Kind of strange to see her in this sale as opposed to the Tattersalls December Mare Sale. But have to imagine she'll bring a fair bit, either going back to Europe or to Japan.

She really stood out to me too, so I'm glad someone mentioned her. There was a recent article interviewing her owners (https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/a ... ong-mares/). I understand wanting to maximize value and selling her in order to support other ventures, but I agree that her import/exports and sale of choice is odd. In 2020 she was imported to the US while in foal to Gleneagles. The filly resulting from that breeding sold this year at Arqana (so the filly was obviously sent to Europe). Then in 2021 Onshore was bred to American Pharoah, then at some point was sent back to Europe since she's currently in foal to Wootton Bassett, and then had to have been brought back to the US, and now is selling at Fasig Tipton.
If they knew they were going to sell her this fall/winter I think they would have left in Europe to sell at Tattersalls. So I'm thinking that they brought her back to breed her to someone in the US, then she became a G1 producer and they decided to cash out, but didn't want to ship her back to Europe?

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 am https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/t ... rf-sprint/

Barbara Banke says Campanelle deserves to go to the elite turf sires but she wants her broodmares in Kentucky. So because of that she is being sold.

mariasmon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:53 am

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 am https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/t ... rf-sprint/

Barbara Banke says Campanelle deserves to go to the elite turf sires but she wants her broodmares in Kentucky. So because of that she is being sold.

Couldn't the same be said for Lady Aurelia?

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:33 am

mariasmon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:53 am

Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:19 am https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/t ... rf-sprint/

Barbara Banke says Campanelle deserves to go to the elite turf sires but she wants her broodmares in Kentucky. So because of that she is being sold.

Couldn't the same be said for Lady Aurelia?

Maybe she thinks differently about Lady Aurelia because she bred her and Lady Aurelia has a very US pedigree? While Campanelle was a Tattersalls auction purchase and has a very European pedigree?

PlanetRock wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:51 pm I have my Munnings baby in this sale, she arrived there this morning.

https://youtu.be/ZOM12pU8etw

TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am Secret oath withdrawn. To run in 2023