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Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:14 pm**

Sheesh, over a million for a weanling. I imagine it helped that it's a filly so even if she never races, she still holds value as a broodmare.

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm**

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:36 am Sheesh, $30,000 for the HAP?

Looks like I’m best off ignoring sales...he’s gorgeous, his foals are gorgeous...but HAP has the stink of his sire on him

to be fair, most first weanlings sires didn't really sell suuuuuper well in general, apart from Authentic. i wouldn't be too concerned about this right now.

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:36 am Are there any more of his in the sale ?

that was his only one, but he has quite a few weanlings selling at KEENOV:
Book 1
#9 f. o/o America's Friend (Unusual Heat)
Book 2
#252 c. o/o Angelo's Ashes (Exchange Rate)
Book 3
#1022 c. o/o Averyblake (Curlin)
#1234 c. o/o Mackenzie Capri (Eskendereya)
#1279 f. o/o Poetic Kid (Shakespeare)
#1424 c. o/o Angel Spirit (Perfect Soul [IRE])
#1585 f. o/o Kelwynne (Yes It's True)
Book 4
#1931 c. o/o Fabulous Babe (Touch Gold)
#1946 f. o/o Formby (Scat Daddy)
#2281 c. o/o Calamity Jane (Cowboy Cal)
#2338 f. o/o Elusive Jackpot (Elusive Quality)
#2414 f. o/o Joyeria (Medaglia d'Oro)
Book 5
#3141 f. o/o Diastole (Lohnro [AUS])
#3484 f. o/o Come On Cozzene (Divine Cozzene)
#3514 f. o/o First Salute (Midshipman)
#3520 f. o/o Frazier's Finest (Formal Dinner)

and a few broodmares in foal as well:
Book 3
#1321 Settle 'n Speight (Speightstown)
#1699 Run Easy (Runhappy)
Book 4
#1848 Big Night America (American Pharoah)
#2067 Ocean Reef (War Front)
#2082 Peeve (Medaglia d'Oro)
#2524 Regal Passage (Violence)
#2576 Stasha Minasha (City Zip)
#2612 Twilight Rose (Smart Strike)
Book 5
#2706 Cianchetta (Arch)
#2894 Project Rose (Not For Love)
#2936 Shiny Necklass (Quality Road)
#3182 Hard to Ignore (Hard Spun)
#3346 Set For Six (Exchange Rate)

here because a lot of his foals and broodmares are in later books, i wouldn't be concerned if they don't fetch a high price in general.

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:50 pm**

Where did tonalist’s shape end up

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:55 pm**

SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:50 pm Where did tonalist’s shape end up

https://www.fasigtipton.com/2022/The-No ... e#/results

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:32 pm**

SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:50 pm Where did tonalist’s shape end up

Bridlewood Farm

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:24 pm**

brunanas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:32 pm
SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:50 pm Where did tonalist’s shape end up
Bridlewood Farm

Thank you

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:10 pm**

brunanas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:36 am Sheesh, $30,000 for the HAP?

Looks like I’m best off ignoring sales...he’s gorgeous, his foals are gorgeous...but HAP has the stink of his sire on him
to be fair, most first weanlings sires didn't really sell suuuuuper well in general, apart from Authentic. i wouldn't be too concerned about this right now.

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:36 am Are there any more of his in the sale ?
that was his only one, but he has quite a few weanlings selling at KEENOV:
Book 1
#9 f. o/o America's Friend (Unusual Heat)
Book 2
#252 c. o/o Angelo's Ashes (Exchange Rate)
Book 3
#1022 c. o/o Averyblake (Curlin)
#1234 c. o/o Mackenzie Capri (Eskendereya)
#1279 f. o/o Poetic Kid (Shakespeare)
#1424 c. o/o Angel Spirit (Perfect Soul [IRE])
#1585 f. o/o Kelwynne (Yes It's True)
Book 4
#1931 c. o/o Fabulous Babe (Touch Gold)
#1946 f. o/o Formby (Scat Daddy)
#2281 c. o/o Calamity Jane (Cowboy Cal)
#2338 f. o/o Elusive Jackpot (Elusive Quality)
#2414 f. o/o Joyeria (Medaglia d'Oro)
Book 5
#3141 f. o/o Diastole (Lohnro [AUS])
#3484 f. o/o Come On Cozzene (Divine Cozzene)
#3514 f. o/o First Salute (Midshipman)
#3520 f. o/o Frazier's Finest (Formal Dinner)

and a few broodmares in foal as well:
Book 3
#1321 Settle 'n Speight (Speightstown)
#1699 Run Easy (Runhappy)
Book 4
#1848 Big Night America (American Pharoah)
#2067 Ocean Reef (War Front)
#2082 Peeve (Medaglia d'Oro)
#2524 Regal Passage (Violence)
#2576 Stasha Minasha (City Zip)
#2612 Twilight Rose (Smart Strike)
Book 5
#2706 Cianchetta (Arch)
#2894 Project Rose (Not For Love)
#2936 Shiny Necklass (Quality Road)
#3182 Hard to Ignore (Hard Spun)
#3346 Set For Six (Exchange Rate)

here because a lot of his foals and broodmares are in later books, i wouldn't be concerned if they don't fetch a high price in general.

Actually several first crop sires sold well..

The one out of America’s Friend went for $30,000 - disappointing for a nice looking filly. HAP didn’t get a good book of mares, so add that to the stink of his sire.. .and, I don’t think it’s looking good.

Thank you!

Posted: **Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:23 pm**

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:10 pm
brunanas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:27 pm
Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:36 am Sheesh, $30,000 for the HAP?

Looks like I’m best off ignoring sales...he’s gorgeous, his foals are gorgeous...but HAP has the stink of his sire on him
to be fair, most first weanlings sires didn't really sell suuuuuper well in general, apart from Authentic. i wouldn't be too concerned about this right now.

Slewfan2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:36 am Are there any more of his in the sale ?
that was his only one, but he has quite a few weanlings selling at KEENOV:
Book 1
#9 f. o/o America's Friend (Unusual Heat)
Book 2
#252 c. o/o Angelo's Ashes (Exchange Rate)
Book 3
#1022 c. o/o Averyblake (Curlin)
#1234 c. o/o Mackenzie Capri (Eskendereya)
#1279 f. o/o Poetic Kid (Shakespeare)
#1424 c. o/o Angel Spirit (Perfect Soul [IRE])
#1585 f. o/o Kelwynne (Yes It's True)
Book 4
#1931 c. o/o Fabulous Babe (Touch Gold)
#1946 f. o/o Formby (Scat Daddy)
#2281 c. o/o Calamity Jane (Cowboy Cal)
#2338 f. o/o Elusive Jackpot (Elusive Quality)
#2414 f. o/o Joyeria (Medaglia d'Oro)
Book 5
#3141 f. o/o Diastole (Lohnro [AUS])
#3484 f. o/o Come On Cozzene (Divine Cozzene)
#3514 f. o/o First Salute (Midshipman)
#3520 f. o/o Frazier's Finest (Formal Dinner)

and a few broodmares in foal as well:
Book 3
#1321 Settle 'n Speight (Speightstown)
#1699 Run Easy (Runhappy)
Book 4
#1848 Big Night America (American Pharoah)
#2067 Ocean Reef (War Front)
#2082 Peeve (Medaglia d'Oro)
#2524 Regal Passage (Violence)
#2576 Stasha Minasha (City Zip)
#2612 Twilight Rose (Smart Strike)
Book 5
#2706 Cianchetta (Arch)
#2894 Project Rose (Not For Love)
#2936 Shiny Necklass (Quality Road)
#3182 Hard to Ignore (Hard Spun)
#3346 Set For Six (Exchange Rate)

here because a lot of his foals and broodmares are in later books, i wouldn't be concerned if they don't fetch a high price in general.
Actually several first crop sires sold well..

The one out of America’s Friend went for $30,000 - disappointing for a nice looking filly. HAP didn’t get a good book of mares, so add that to the stink of his sire.. .and, I don’t think it’s looking good.

Thank you!

nvm, for some reason i thought the majority had low numbers. but as i said still i wouldn't be too worried. unfortunately every year there will be a stallion or two among the "top" retirees that just don't do well compared to their peers.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:30 am**

Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:23 am Blue Stripe and Grace Adler who were purchased by Narvick International were for Grand Farm of Japan.

Who is Grand Farm?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:47 am**

brunanas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:37 pm
SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:30 pm Princess noors dam is in
$1,000,000 to Aaron & Marie Jones

Aaron Jones died in 2014 at 92 years old. I'm almost positive that his wife, Marie, died a few years ago as well, though I can't confirm that. I wonder what's up with this!

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am**

General opinion question. What do you all think about breeding fillies at two?

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am**

Ziggypop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am General opinion question. What do you all think about breeding fillies at two?

I think it’s disgusting...I don’t even like breeding them at 3

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:17 am**

Missbeholder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:47 am
brunanas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:37 pm
SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:30 pm Princess noors dam is in
$1,000,000 to Aaron & Marie Jones
Aaron Jones died in 2014 at 92 years old. I'm almost positive that his wife, Marie, died a few years ago as well, though I can't confirm that. I wonder what's up with this!

I'm pretty sure Marie Jones is still alive. She was younger than her husband. The entity buying horses is "Aaron and Marie Jones LLC," so I would assume that they just didn't change the company/LLC name after he died.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:33 pm**

mariasmon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:17 am
Missbeholder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:47 am
brunanas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:37 pm

$1,000,000 to Aaron & Marie Jones
Aaron Jones died in 2014 at 92 years old. I'm almost positive that his wife, Marie, died a few years ago as well, though I can't confirm that. I wonder what's up with this!
I'm pretty sure Marie Jones is still alive. She was younger than her husband. The entity buying horses is "Aaron and Marie Jones LLC," so I would assume that they just didn't change the company/LLC name after he died.

Thanks for that, mariasmon. I could have sworn I heard or read that Marie had passed on. If she's still alive, that makes perfect sense.

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 pm**

Ziggypop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am General opinion question. What do you all think about breeding fillies at two?

Personally I don’t like it but it happens in the wild all the time so I don’t see why people get so mad over it

Posted: **Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:27 pm**

tachyon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:30 am
Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:23 am Blue Stripe and Grace Adler who were purchased by Narvick International were for Grand Farm of Japan.
Who is Grand Farm?

I found an Owner Breeder article from 2020 that says Yoshiyuki Ito’s Grand Farm. They bought Cherokee Maiden in 2020 and Bye Bye Baby in 2021. Cherokee Maiden's Kizuna filly went through the 2022 Select Weanling Sale and was sold by Grand Stud. So maybe that is the right name? All the US/EU articles have called it Grand Farm. They also bought Caledonia Road in 2018, her foal was in the sale, as well as Argentinian G1SW American Song(ARG)'s foal. In 2015 they bought Dreamwriter, a winning 1/2 sister to G1 Carpe Diem, J.B.'s Thunder, G2 Farrell. They bought Gardenia(FR) at some point, she is a 1/2 to MG1 Elusive Kate.

https://www.jbis.jp/seri/2022/10H1/sale/ Hip 476

Posted: **Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:03 am**

SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 pm
Ziggypop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am General opinion question. What do you all think about breeding fillies at two?
Personally I don’t like it but it happens in the wild all the time so I don’t see why people get so mad over it

Horses travel 10 miles a day for water or get eaten in the wild, so maybe that's not the best standard.

Posted: **Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:43 am**

Gemini wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:03 am
SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 pm
Ziggypop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am General opinion question. What do you all think about breeding fillies at two?
Personally I don’t like it but it happens in the wild all the time so I don’t see why people get so mad over it
Horses travel 10 miles a day for water or get eaten in the wild, so maybe that's not the best standard.

Cause that’s the circle of life?

Posted: **Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:12 am**

SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:43 am
Gemini wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:03 am
SukiSatsuki wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 pm

Personally I don’t like it but it happens in the wild all the time so I don’t see why people get so mad over it
Horses travel 10 miles a day for water or get eaten in the wild, so maybe that's not the best standard.
Cause that’s the circle of life?

If that’s the case, then get rid of veterinarians. Let the horses run free in the fields. Let the stallions fight it out for their herds of mares. Circle of life, right?

Posted: **Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:19 pm**

Ziggypop wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 am General opinion question. What do you all think about breeding fillies at two?

I think it's wrong and purely motivated by greed.
These are babies, they are not physically or even possibly more important, emotionally mature.
You're putting a stress on their own growing bodies and take a very large risk that they will not accept a foal and motherhood at that age.
The rare ones do, but if it were up to me I'd not even register foals from mares bred at 2. If you can't afford to give them at least another year to grow and mature before breeding them there's $omething wrong.
Breeding them at 3 to foal out at 4 is bad enough.
And I've no time of day for this 'they do it in the wild' retardery

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