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Flanders wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:40 pm
Northport wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:47 am Ol Sottsass didn’t get much of a chance, but I guess since Peter Brant owned him outright, Coolmore didn’t have much skin in the game.
Its the same as you said about the Derby winners. They either don't give 12f horses a chance or they dump them fast. It doesn't make sense to think that he would even get 2yo runners. He wasn't a 2yo runner, his only sibling that was a SW at 2 is Shin Emperor. They all got better at 3 and 4.

I don't understand how they think the Derby and the Arc are some of the marquee races in Europe when no one wants to breed to the winners.
And, do I think Sottsass will be very popular in Japan?
No.

Ace Impact might be the only recent Derby and/or Arc winner who would be very popular if he was introduced to Japan.
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Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:58 pm

Fierceness retires to Coolmore, no fee or date set

https://coolmore.com/farms/america/news ... re-america
“We’re tremendously excited to welcome Fierceness to Ashford, be it this year or next. We will discuss his future with Mike, Todd and the team following what looks to be the race of the year in the Breeders’ Cup Classic.”
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stelladaniella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:58 pm Fierceness retires to Coolmore, no fee or date set

https://coolmore.com/farms/america/news ... re-america
“We’re tremendously excited to welcome Fierceness to Ashford, be it this year or next. We will discuss his future with Mike, Todd and the team following what looks to be the race of the year in the Breeders’ Cup Classic.”
Why do I have a feeling that this means, "be it early November or January 3rd".
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Flanders wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:12 pm
stelladaniella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:58 pm Fierceness retires to Coolmore, no fee or date set

https://coolmore.com/farms/america/news ... re-america
“We’re tremendously excited to welcome Fierceness to Ashford, be it this year or next. We will discuss his future with Mike, Todd and the team following what looks to be the race of the year in the Breeders’ Cup Classic.”
Why do I have a feeling that this means, "be it early November or January 3rd".
:lol:
That is exactly what it means!
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Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:10 pm

The Bloodhorse article is worded kind of strangely. It sounds like they've bought him outright, as opposed to buying into him or buying his breeding rights?
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Repole tweeted some clarification on this: https://x.com/RepoleStable/status/1850665172391924109

The rights were (apparently) negotiated last year and include a provision to run at 4, with Coolmore getting a 50% of the horse if he races in 2025 and Repole keeping a portion of his breeding rights.

Perhaps most interesting is his comment about Coolmore "understanding" his desire for an industry-wide cap on mares bred per year. I wonder if limiting Fierceness's book to 200 mares was part of the deal?
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you know we're doomed when 200 is considered a kind number.
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stelladaniella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:58 pm Fierceness retires to Coolmore, no fee or date set

https://coolmore.com/farms/america/news ... re-america
“We’re tremendously excited to welcome Fierceness to Ashford, be it this year or next. We will discuss his future with Mike, Todd and the team following what looks to be the race of the year in the Breeders’ Cup Classic.”
It's sad to me that eight or nine starts is now considered an "outstanding career on the track"
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Rather people want to hear it or not or don’t pay attention, if he is genuinely healthy and sound there is good chance he comes back. Lately Repoles been running his top horses more, bringing back horses instead of rushing them off to stud. Him running Crupi as much as he has when that horse is just getting better and there’s a 90% chance he comes back at 5. Him buying Nest for 6 Million like he said he would 4 months earlier and actually tried bringing her back, you know it’s not just a case of saying he would or not given they posted videos of her working and there was a genuine injury. Not to mention there’s a very good chance he could have just up and retired Mindframe because no doubt he would get a stud deal the way the market has been but he’s also bringing him back. He’s kept his word about his horses if it’s been possible.

Also, Fierceness isn’t just some high dollar horse to him clearly if you hear the way he talks about that horse or just looks at him, it’s more then a top owners love for a top horse and granted the history of the pedigree and his dams sides names and being a 3rd generation homebred there’s a lot of sentimental stuff there to.

And given they discussed Breeding rights when he was a 2 year old and about racing him on at 4 with Coolmore having half the rights, it’s a LOT like the situation with Maximum Security when they bought into him and he ran all of 2020. And the wests aren’t exactly shy about shipping a horse off the stud anywhere.

It’s probably a 50/50 chance he retires on Sunday if he loses, 95% chance if he wins. If he does win and they keep him around at 4 he will be a great horse granted his last 2 races he’s put it together.
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Mylute wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:09 am Grand Prix de Paris (G1) winner Feed the Flame (Kingman × Knyazhna) has been retired; stud plans are to be determined.
Feed the Flame will stand at Haras de la Hetraie in France for 2025.
https://www.france-sire.com/article-mer ... n_2025.php
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Essential Quality wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:57 am Rather people want to hear it or not or don’t pay attention, if he is genuinely healthy and sound there is good chance he comes back. Lately Repoles been running his top horses more, bringing back horses instead of rushing them off to stud. Him running Crupi as much as he has when that horse is just getting better and there’s a 90% chance he comes back at 5. Him buying Nest for 6 Million like he said he would 4 months earlier and actually tried bringing her back, you know it’s not just a case of saying he would or not given they posted videos of her working and there was a genuine injury. Not to mention there’s a very good chance he could have just up and retired Mindframe because no doubt he would get a stud deal the way the market has been but he’s also bringing him back. He’s kept his word about his horses if it’s been possible.

Also, Fierceness isn’t just some high dollar horse to him clearly if you hear the way he talks about that horse or just looks at him, it’s more then a top owners love for a top horse and granted the history of the pedigree and his dams sides names and being a 3rd generation homebred there’s a lot of sentimental stuff there to.

And given they discussed Breeding rights when he was a 2 year old and about racing him on at 4 with Coolmore having half the rights, it’s a LOT like the situation with Maximum Security when they bought into him and he ran all of 2020. And the wests aren’t exactly shy about shipping a horse off the stud anywhere.

It’s probably a 50/50 chance he retires on Sunday if he loses, 95% chance if he wins. If he does win and they keep him around at 4 he will be a great horse granted his last 2 races he’s put it together.
Mindframe and Crupi didn't have G1s, but I agree with you that the probability isn't zero. Half the stuff Repole says is deranged, while the other half shows greater insight into the sport's problems than any other owner, so at some level I'm sure he's aware of how much a horse with success at 2, 3, and 4 would stand out in today's sport. I'm certainly not going to get my hopes up, but perhaps the temptation to see one's homebred in the Hall of Fame could override the desire for more money, just this once?
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Stop using the word great for good horses. Please.
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I want know, if Fierceness were to retire after the Classic (+winning it hypothetically), what would his stud fee be?
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I would say around $75,000
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I think it also helps that Fierceness is sired by City of Light, who hasn't really blown up as a sire. I think Fierceness is his best foal followed by Formidable Man and Chop Chop. Mentee looks promising but I guess the jury is still out on him.
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Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:45 pm

Muth to retire to Gainesway when done racing

https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/n ... vkqgy7OrrA
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Outwork has been sold to stand in Saudi Arabia, was at WinStar

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CoronadosQuest wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:28 pm Outwork has been sold to stand in Saudi Arabia, was at WinStar

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/g ... 5PMx5mgH_g
I know there was talk of this awhile back. Now it's official
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CoronadosQuest wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:28 pm Outwork has been sold to stand in Saudi Arabia, was at WinStar

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/g ... 5PMx5mgH_g

And that's probably the last we will hear of him
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CoronadosQuest wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:45 pm Muth to retire to Gainesway when done racing
Is there any indication on whether they intend to keep him in training next year? Or should we assume that’s dependent on his Dirt Mile performance?

Usually this means they're retiring ASAP but not always.
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