A breeding year mystery

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swale1984
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Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:42 pm

I won a photo of Queen Elizabeth and mares that were visiting Shirley Heights in the Arlington Park auction. When I picked it up yesterday, there was a sticker on the back that had the names of the mares. I'm trying to pinpoint the year the photo was taken. I know it's prior to 1990, because the Queen's hair is brown and she let her hair go grey in 1990.


If anyone has access to breeding records and could help, I'd appreciate it. The mares named on the back are:

Full Dress
Pawneese
Time Charter
Habibti
Akidya
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Flanders
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Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:59 pm

I looked for Shirley Heights foals out of the mares. Its kind of crazy how almost every mare in that photo, didn't have a foal the following year. But using their produce records can narrow down to 1987. Took me a little bit to figure out the 2 with misspelled names.

Full Dress - none (She had no foal in 86/87) - 1000 Guineas (G1)
Pawneese - 1987 Shirley Heights foal (no foal in 86) - MG1/including Oaks(G1)
Time Charter - 1986/89/97 (no foal in 87/88) - Multi-Champion/MG1 including Oaks(G1)
Habibti - none (had her first foal in 88 but probably had no foal in 86/87) - she raced through age 4(1984) so should have been bred in 85. - MCH/MG1
Akiyda - none (only had a named foal in 1986) <-- name misspelled above. CH/Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe(G1). Had an unnamed foal in 1988 and no more foals.
Dunfermline - none (no foal in 86/87) <-- name misspelled above - MG1/including Oaks(G1) & St. Leger(G1)
swale1984
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Flanders wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:59 pm I looked for Shirley Heights foals out of the mares. Its kind of crazy how almost every mare in that photo, didn't have a foal the following year. But using their produce records can narrow down to 1987. Took me a little bit to figure out the 2 with misspelled names.

Full Dress - none (She had no foal in 86/87) - 1000 Guineas (G1)
Pawneese - 1987 Shirley Heights foal (no foal in 86) - MG1/including Oaks(G1)
Time Charter - 1986/89/97 (no foal in 87/88) - Multi-Champion/MG1 including Oaks(G1)
Habibti - none (had her first foal in 88 but probably had no foal in 86/87) - she raced through age 4(1984) so should have been bred in 85. - MCH/MG1
Akiyda - none (only had a named foal in 1986) <-- name misspelled above. CH/Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe(G1). Had an unnamed foal in 1988 and no more foals.
Dunfermline - none (no foal in 86/87) <-- name misspelled above - MG1/including Oaks(G1) & St. Leger(G1)

Thanks! I only had access to PQ, and it's far from accurate. Even less so for overseas stallions. I had it down to somewhere between 85 (for an 86 foal) and 87.
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Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:59 pm

swale1984 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:48 pm
Flanders wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:59 pm I looked for Shirley Heights foals out of the mares. Its kind of crazy how almost every mare in that photo, didn't have a foal the following year. But using their produce records can narrow down to 1987. Took me a little bit to figure out the 2 with misspelled names.

Full Dress - none (She had no foal in 86/87) - 1000 Guineas (G1)
Pawneese - 1987 Shirley Heights foal (no foal in 86) - MG1/including Oaks(G1)
Time Charter - 1986/89/97 (no foal in 87/88) - Multi-Champion/MG1 including Oaks(G1)
Habibti - none (had her first foal in 88 but probably had no foal in 86/87) - she raced through age 4(1984) so should have been bred in 85. - MCH/MG1
Akiyda - none (only had a named foal in 1986) <-- name misspelled above. CH/Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe(G1). Had an unnamed foal in 1988 and no more foals.
Dunfermline - none (no foal in 86/87) <-- name misspelled above - MG1/including Oaks(G1) & St. Leger(G1)

Thanks! I only had access to PQ, and it's far from accurate. Even less so for overseas stallions. I had it down to somewhere between 85 (for an 86 foal) and 87.
I used Pedigreequery and then just check if its right on Equineline cause they have free 5x pedigree on there. Can type the mare's name and foaling year. So your picture would have been from 1986 and foaling year 1987. I was in a hurry when I was typing.
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