Pennsylvania Derby (G2)

[Hoist The Flag]

Parx Racing - Saturday, September 21, 2013
Race 11 - 5:45 PM
Pennsylvania Derby (Grade II)
Purse $1,000,000. For Three Year Olds. One And One Eighth Miles.



PPHorseJockeyWgtTrainer
1 Speak Logistics (FL) P Lopez 117 E Plesa, Jr.
2 Transparent (FL) I Ortiz, Jr. 117 K P McLaughlin
3 Moreno (KY) J L Ortiz 122 E J Guillot
4 Battier (FL) A Castillo 117 T A Pletcher
5 Java's War (KY) J R Leparoux 124 B Tagg
6 Fury Kapcori (KY) M E Smith 117 J Hollendorfer
7 Romansh (KY) R Maragh 119 T Albertrani
8 Will Take Charge (KY) L Saez 124 D W Lukas

A - Coupled Entries - Transparent, Romansh

[WarBiscuit]

I wonder if Saez and Will Take Charge will be using their "electronic device" against Moreno in this
race too? One would hope...


WarBiscuit

[Izvestia]

Prove it.

[WarBiscuit]

Prove it.

Sorry if my "tongue in cheek" humor escaped you - entirely...


WarBiscuit

[Ioya Two]

I know it's a long shot, but I'd love it if Fury Kapcori won. He's so talented, but hasn't broken through just yet.

[PJMIII]

Travers 1-2 Finishers Meet Again in PA Derby

Forget all the controversies surrounding the Travers Stakes (gr. I). The two primary antagonists, Will Take Charge and Moreno, who finished one-two, respectively, in the Midsummer Derby, will lock horns once again in the $1 million Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II) at Parx Racing Sept. 21.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... n-pa-derby

[Ballerina]

I hope there's no bad blood between Saez and Ortiz. I like Moreno. I'd like to see him win, but perhaps it might put Guillot in his place to see Will Take Charge win again. I did says "perhaps". What a doof. One would think by now that there'd be a decision as to whether Saez used a buzzer.

[Somnambulist]

Why do they insist running Java's War on the real main?

[Man o Taz]

I like 7 out of 8 horses in this field. I will enjoy watching the race a lot.

Fury Kapcori is a sentimental favorite being a Go For Gin grandson, but I have a soft spot for many of these horses including Moreno.

[PJMIII]

I like 7 out of 8 horses in this field. I will enjoy watching the race a lot.

Fury Kapcori is a sentimental favorite being a Go For Gin grandson, but I have a soft spot for many of these horses including Moreno.

Pennsylvania Derby: Fury Kapcori adds to Travers rematch

Like last year, the story line entering the Grade 2 Pennsylvania Derby is a rematch of two Travers horses. And like last year, the story line coming out of Saturday’s $1 million Pennsylvania Derby could be about a California shipper who stole the money.

http://www.drf.com/news/pennsylvania-de ... rs-rematch

[peeptoad]

I'm having a hard time looking past Moreno here, mainly because of the (typically) speed-favoring nature of the Parx track. Obviously, he is beatable, but I don't particularly trust Will Take Charge, at least away from the Spa. His 2 lifetime best performances (by far) came at that track, but the question is why. Is he really just turning the corner, or does he have an affinity for Saratoga? Maybe a little of both, but I'm looking elsewhere and I think Romansh may be that horse. He seems fast enough to compete with the top 2 and the cutback will surely aid him, as well as his running style since he won't need to come fro too far off the pace, unless he gets a bad break. Personally, I love Fury Kapcori, but I'm not sure he's quite ready for this (though 'Dorf seems to think he is, otherwise why would he ship).

[Man o Taz]

I like 7 out of 8 horses in this field. I will enjoy watching the race a lot.

Fury Kapcori is a sentimental favorite being a Go For Gin grandson, but I have a soft spot for many of these horses including Moreno.

Pennsylvania Derby: Fury Kapcori adds to Travers rematch

Like last year, the story line entering the Grade 2 Pennsylvania Derby is a rematch of two Travers horses. And like last year, the story line coming out of Saturday’s $1 million Pennsylvania Derby could be about a California shipper who stole the money.

http://www.drf.com/news/pennsylvania-de ... rs-rematch

Thanks. Good article. We'll see just how ready Fury is. Does anyone know how he got his name?

[Kay16]

I'm having a hard time looking past Moreno here, mainly because of the (typically) speed-favoring nature of the Parx track. Obviously, he is beatable, but I don't particularly trust Will Take Charge, at least away from the Spa. His 2 lifetime best performances (by far) came at that track, but the question is why. Is he really just turning the corner, or does he have an affinity for Saratoga? Maybe a little of both, but I'm looking elsewhere and I think Romansh may be that horse. He seems fast enough to compete with the top 2 and the cutback will surely aid him, as well as his running style since he won't need to come fro too far off the pace, unless he gets a bad break. Personally, I love Fury Kapcori, but I'm not sure he's quite ready for this (though 'Dorf seems to think he is, otherwise why would he ship).

I'm not sure this is fair to say yet. He beat Oxbow in the Rebel at Oaklawn, a lot of people really liked both coming out of that, and he may have finished right with Orb in the Derby at CD had he not been stopped by Verrazano so badly. Two of his best performances, or his two best period whichever way you want to put it, were at Saratoga but a lot of 3 year olds start to really develop around this time, after the TC hoopla. So it could be that he's just getting everything together. He's always shown sparks of talent, not just at Saratoga. His consistency is more of a question for me. Is he going to stay consistent or is he a horse that just runs a few really good races here and there? Also, can he catch Moreno only going 1 1/8 again, this time on a more speed favoring track? I say this only because I think Will Take Charge is a horse that will run his best when going longer. A 1 1/4 would definitely be on his side here, but 1 1/8 on a track that can be speed favoring is going to make Moreno very tough if he runs his race and gets his pace.

The rest of the field looks like crap IMO.

[peeptoad]

I'm having a hard time looking past Moreno here, mainly because of the (typically) speed-favoring nature of the Parx track. Obviously, he is beatable, but I don't particularly trust Will Take Charge, at least away from the Spa. His 2 lifetime best performances (by far) came at that track, but the question is why. Is he really just turning the corner, or does he have an affinity for Saratoga? Maybe a little of both, but I'm looking elsewhere and I think Romansh may be that horse. He seems fast enough to compete with the top 2 and the cutback will surely aid him, as well as his running style since he won't need to come fro too far off the pace, unless he gets a bad break. Personally, I love Fury Kapcori, but I'm not sure he's quite ready for this (though 'Dorf seems to think he is, otherwise why would he ship).

I'm not sure this is fair to say yet. He beat Oxbow in the Rebel at Oaklawn, a lot of people really liked both coming out of that, and he may have finished right with Orb in the Derby at CD had he not been stopped by Verrazano so badly. Two of his best performances, or his two best period whichever way you want to put it, were at Saratoga but a lot of 3 year olds start to really develop around this time, after the TC hoopla. So it could be that he's just getting everything together. He's always shown sparks of talent, not just at Saratoga. His consistency is more of a question for me. Is he going to stay consistent or is he a horse that just runs a few really good races here and there? Also, can he catch Moreno only going 1 1/8 again, this time on a more speed favoring track? I say this only because I think Will Take Charge is a horse that will run his best when going longer. A 1 1/4 would definitely be on his side here, but 1 1/8 on a track that can be speed favoring is going to make Moreno very tough if he runs his race and gets his pace.

The rest of the field looks like crap IMO.

It's not really fair to say what I posted yet you just about backed all of that up with what you posted...??
It seems like we agree on our assessment of WTC, yet you seem not to agree with what I posted. Hm, well okay it's Friday. Must be the end of a long, tiring week.

[Kay16]

I'm having a hard time looking past Moreno here, mainly because of the (typically) speed-favoring nature of the Parx track. Obviously, he is beatable, but I don't particularly trust Will Take Charge, at least away from the Spa. His 2 lifetime best performances (by far) came at that track, but the question is why. Is he really just turning the corner, or does he have an affinity for Saratoga? Maybe a little of both, but I'm looking elsewhere and I think Romansh may be that horse. He seems fast enough to compete with the top 2 and the cutback will surely aid him, as well as his running style since he won't need to come fro too far off the pace, unless he gets a bad break. Personally, I love Fury Kapcori, but I'm not sure he's quite ready for this (though 'Dorf seems to think he is, otherwise why would he ship).

I'm not sure this is fair to say yet. He beat Oxbow in the Rebel at Oaklawn, a lot of people really liked both coming out of that, and he may have finished right with Orb in the Derby at CD had he not been stopped by Verrazano so badly. Two of his best performances, or his two best period whichever way you want to put it, were at Saratoga but a lot of 3 year olds start to really develop around this time, after the TC hoopla. So it could be that he's just getting everything together. He's always shown sparks of talent, not just at Saratoga. His consistency is more of a question for me. Is he going to stay consistent or is he a horse that just runs a few really good races here and there? Also, can he catch Moreno only going 1 1/8 again, this time on a more speed favoring track? I say this only because I think Will Take Charge is a horse that will run his best when going longer. A 1 1/4 would definitely be on his side here, but 1 1/8 on a track that can be speed favoring is going to make Moreno very tough if he runs his race and gets his pace.

The rest of the field looks like crap IMO.

It's not really fair to say what I posted yet you just about backed all of that up with what you posted...??
It seems like we agree on our assessment of WTC, yet you seem not to agree with what I posted. Hm, well okay it's Friday. Must be the end of a long, tiring week.

No I didn't. I was saying I wouldn't assume he's best at Saratoga, he's shown that talent before at other tracks. I question his consistency and if he can run down Moreno at this track, not the track he runs best at. Either you misread my post or I mistyped what I was saying.

[peeptoad]

No I didn't. I was saying I wouldn't assume he's best at Saratoga, he's shown that talent before at other tracks. I question his consistency and if he can run down Moreno at this track, not the track he runs best at. Either you misread my post or I mistyped what I was saying.

Fair enough, but for now my default assumption is that he's better at the Spa until he shows me he can duplicate those efforts at another track,. He hasn't run anything even close to either of those races prior except maybe the Rebel, but that was against much inferior, Oxbow aside. His Derby run was okay, but he was 9th when the interference (which I think tends to get overblown) occurred and ultimately finished 8th beaten 12 lengths. With an ideal trip he may have run 4th, but there was absolutely no way he was going to get within sniffing distance of the top two. Having said that, the PA Derby is relatively weak outside the top two, so it sure wouldn't be a surprise to see him in the winner's circle afterwards but at a short price he's not getting any of my money.

[Senator L]

I'm going with 1 Speak Logistics (FL) P Lopez 117 E Plesa, Jr.
Doesn't win much, but I always liked this horse and he seems to be
coming around. Not that tough of race either.
good luck

[slewobarney]

Transparent

[Blue Jeans]

Rooting for Will Take Charge ... and his "Coach".

Interesting article on Wayne Lukas ...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/hor ... t_yet.html

"As soon as it's over, I get a cheeseburger and glass of chocolate milk, and I'm wondering where the hell's the next one."

[Flanders]

Speak Logistics/Transparent

Will Take Charge hasn't shown he can put together two wins in a row. I don't want Moreno to win because his trainer is an asshat.