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American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:26 pm
by Starine
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:09 pm
by lurkey mclurker
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:20 pm
by Curtis
That was Phar Lapesque—at least in the execution.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:21 pm
by Diver52
Definitely one to watch--in several senses!
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:25 pm
by ThreeMustangs
Diver52 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:21 pm
Definitely one to watch--in several senses!
If they let her run again. See the posts in the Siblings thread.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:06 pm
by Flanders
I'm guessing she has the red flag in her tail because she kicks as well?
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:24 pm
by Treve
Now just imagine the win margin if she'd run straight.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:38 pm
by Northport
Watching that replay I half expected her to jump the rail. I've seen at least a handful of races (mostly National Hunt) where you think "they can't possibly drift any further? right?? then they plow through the rail
If we can give her the same aptitude examination that Trump keeps bragging about, she'll be back on the track in no time
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:53 pm
by tachyon
Diver52 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:21 pm
Definitely one to watch--in several senses!
Spot on!
-- post-race comments:
Yoichi Kuroiwa (trainer):
''I'm far from happy with her victory today. It's only consoling to think that she didn't interfere other horses and no one was injured after all.(it could have been a lot worse).''
''I knew she was a filly who had both huge talent and bad habit through her workouts. Now I will try hard to solve her problems over time. I'm very sorry (for what's happened today).''
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:15 am
by tachyon
-- post-race comments:
Yusuke Yamaguchi (owner) on twitter a few hours ago (@yamaguchistable)
https://twitter.com/yamaguchistable/sta ... 4918653953
https://twitter.com/yamaguchistable/sta ... 3759519745
''I purchased her at the sale mainly with a hope that she would become our foundation broodmare in the long run.
So I have considered an option to make her a broodmare right now.
But we will do our best to correct her bad habits in view of her re-examination first.
She is only 2yo and 7 months.
Thanks for all the comments and words of encouragement.''
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:06 am
by Mylute
He sounds like a pretty cool dude.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:25 am
by Starine
Yes, I also like the connections. I'm relieved to hear they will give her a chance to correct her behaviours before turning her into a broodmare.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:45 pm
by TapitsGal
Considering her mama pulled similar moves are her bad habits behavioral or genetic? And I do love that they are giving her a chance to correct her behavior first. With her bloodlines they certainly could say awe forget it and breed her...but I love that they are giving her time...wish more connections had that kind of patience
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:21 pm
by CorridorZ75
TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:45 pm
Considering her mama pulled similar moves are her bad habits behavioral or genetic? And I do love that they are giving her a chance to correct her behavior first. With her bloodlines they certainly could say awe forget it and breed her...but I love that they are giving her time...wish more connections had that kind of patience
Well since it has come through the Tapit as well, I would say it is a genetic issue. Also, remember the broodmare is the first behavior a foal learns to mimic so bad actors and nervous ones tend to have bad actors and nervous progeny.
The biggest issue with Japanese breeding would be they already have a ton of pretty hot blood through the Halo influence so they might manage to breed an incredibly fast but completely intractable strain.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:29 pm
by Northport
CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:21 pm
TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:45 pm
Considering her mama pulled similar moves are her bad habits behavioral or genetic? And I do love that they are giving her a chance to correct her behavior first. With her bloodlines they certainly could say awe forget it and breed her...but I love that they are giving her time...wish more connections had that kind of patience
Well since it has come through the Tapit as well, I would say it is a genetic issue. Also, remember the broodmare is the first behavior a foal learns to mimic so bad actors and nervous ones tend to have bad actors and nervous progeny.
The biggest issue with Japanese breeding would be they already have a ton of pretty hot blood through the Halo influence so they might manage to breed an incredibly fast but completely intractable strain.
I'd say that problem is personified in Gold Ship. Here's hoping they never send this filly to him
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:44 pm
by Treve
Northport wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:29 pm
CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:21 pm
TapitsGal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:45 pm
Considering her mama pulled similar moves are her bad habits behavioral or genetic? And I do love that they are giving her a chance to correct her behavior first. With her bloodlines they certainly could say awe forget it and breed her...but I love that they are giving her time...wish more connections had that kind of patience
Well since it has come through the Tapit as well, I would say it is a genetic issue. Also, remember the broodmare is the first behavior a foal learns to mimic so bad actors and nervous ones tend to have bad actors and nervous progeny.
The biggest issue with Japanese breeding would be they already have a ton of pretty hot blood through the Halo influence so they might manage to breed an incredibly fast but completely intractable strain.
I'd say that problem is personified in Gold Ship. Here's hoping they never send this filly to him
Part of me would want them to, for science (although watch the genetic lottery end up with a bombproof plodder) but the largest part of me definitely doesn't want that to happen
They might have to be creative with her. However if she usually drifts to the right, mayhaps the solution would be in training and running her mostly right-handed rather than left-handed?
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:27 pm
by lurkey mclurker
I'm wondering if they will try blinkers (or partial, just the right side cup) with her...
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:39 pm
by Kurenai
I don't think she was misbehaving at all. The reason why she run to the right is because the saddle slipped. She has more pressure on her left side (leg lower than on the right). That's why she went to the outside. An older more experienced horse maybe would have ignored that, she just felt the leg on the left side push more and went to the right. Pulling up with a slipped saddle is a challenge too. She's just a baby and didn't know what to do really. She should be fine.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:47 pm
by Della
Kurenai wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:39 pm
I don't think she was misbehaving at all. The reason why she run to the right is because the saddle slipped. She has more pressure on her left side (leg lower than on the right). That's why she went to the outside. An older more experiences horse maybe would have ignored that, she just felt the leg on the left side push more and went to the right. Pulling up with a slipped saddle is a challenge too. She's just a baby and didn't know what to do really. She should be fine.
Very smart observation - you're clearly a horsewoman.
Re: American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:47 pm
by CorridorZ75
She tried running off in her training session prior to the race, in the post parade of the race and she pretty much ran off after the start of the race as well. The saddle slipped secondary to the antics and ye, didn't help the situation.
