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hopefully this whoopsiedoodle makes the reporters remember the "be first or be right" warning.

sweettalk wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:18 pm hopefully this whoopsiedoodle makes the reporters remember the "be first or be right" warning.

These days it's more important to be first, as this will be the version faithfully repeated until eternity.

Katewerk wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:43 pm

sweettalk wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:18 pm hopefully this whoopsiedoodle makes the reporters remember the "be first or be right" warning.

These days it's more important to be first, as this will be the version faithfully repeated until eternity.

haha sheesh, ain't that true anymore... *like/upvote*

Forever Young(JPN) is now likely to run next in the Jpn1 Japan Dirt Classic (final leg of the Japan Dirt Triple Crown) 2000m dirt at Oi Racecourse on Oct 2nd before his tilt at the G1 BC Classic 10F dirt at Del Mar on Nov 2nd 2024.

source:
https://news.sp.netkeiba.com/?pid=news_view&no=264390

Larry Demeritte on West Saratoga, both leading up to and after the Derby. No frowns, and happy for the horse moving forward!

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... r-the-ages

Randy Moss makes some excellent points here.

https://x.com/Jackpotkimm/status/1790774059413782768

HB1994, thank you for posting that randy moss rant. he is absolutely right. its disgraceful that there is no accountability in racing. and i still don't get how they can fine tyler g, but there wasn't a DQ. absurd. he should have been taken down from 2nd place. its truly maddening.

I'm in agreement. I swear I read somewhere that the stewards said its the jockey's job to file an objection. Ryusei Sakai didn't know this because this kind of thing doesn't happen in the JRA. The JRA stewards look at everything, like they should, and make all the calls.

Agree.
Agree.
Agree.

Thanks for posting.

Flanders wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 6:55 pm I'm in agreement. I swear I read somewhere that the stewards said its the jockey's job to file an objection. Ryusei Sakai didn't know this because this kind of thing doesn't happen in the JRA. The JRA stewards look at everything, like they should, and make all the calls.

Don't believe that's the case, but a good instance of stewards' filing an inquiry before an objection is below.

In the 8th race (the 'Serens's Song') at Monmouth Park this past Sunday, there was an immediate Steward's inquiry at the end of the race. Then came the jockeys' objections. All lights were lit on the board. A claim of foul was lodged against each horse in the race.

Below is a link to the pdf chart:

https://www.equibase.com/premium/chartE ... y=USA&rn=8

and a link to the video of the race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPNlGj-F8A

Audarya20 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 10:09 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 6:55 pm I'm in agreement. I swear I read somewhere that the stewards said its the jockey's job to file an objection. Ryusei Sakai didn't know this because this kind of thing doesn't happen in the JRA. The JRA stewards look at everything, like they should, and make all the calls.

Don't believe that's the case, but a good instance of stewards' filing an inquiry before an objection is below.

In the 8th race (the 'Serens's Song') at Monmouth Park this past Sunday, there was an immediate Steward's inquiry at the end of the race. Then came the jockeys' objections. All lights were lit on the board. A claim of foul was lodged against each horse in the race.

Below is a link to the pdf chart:

https://www.equibase.com/premium/chartE ... y=USA&rn=8

and a link to the video of the race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPNlGj-F8A

I was talking about the Churchill Downs stewards that said that.

Here I found the article where they say that:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -the-light

There are times when a jockey fine without a DQ is merited--when a jockey rides unsafely but does not interfere with race results in a material way, for example. But this seems like a rare case in which the opposite would have been the correct outcome. I understand zero-tolerance for touching another horse, but Gaffalione was making every effort to straighten his mount, and the interference was considerable. I'm not really sure what else he could have done. The horse has an unbalanced stride and can't run straight when he's tired, and it's probably going to keep causing problems moving forward unless he learns to run inside horses.

Most likely a decision made to quell public outrage, but it should not let the stewards off the hook here.

Flanders wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 10:11 pm

Audarya20 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 10:09 pm

Flanders wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 6:55 pm I'm in agreement. I swear I read somewhere that the stewards said its the jockey's job to file an objection. Ryusei Sakai didn't know this because this kind of thing doesn't happen in the JRA. The JRA stewards look at everything, like they should, and make all the calls.

Don't believe that's the case, but a good instance of stewards' filing an inquiry before an objection is below.

In the 8th race (the 'Serens's Song') at Monmouth Park this past Sunday, there was an immediate Steward's inquiry at the end of the race. Then came the jockeys' objections. All lights were lit on the board. A claim of foul was lodged against each horse in the race.

Below is a link to the pdf chart:

https://www.equibase.com/premium/chartE ... y=USA&rn=8

and a link to the video of the race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHPNlGj-F8A

I was talking about the Churchill Downs stewards that said that.

Here I found the article where they say that:
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -the-light

Ahh. Got ya. But then I think they stand alone as the only track in the country that does this.

I believe that the stewards did not want to create a controversy (DQ) for two reasons:

This was the 150th anniversary running of the KD.
This would have been the third DQ in six years in the KD.

Instead of avoiding a controversary, they created a larger one.

Except no one cares but a few hundred Internet posters. CDI can bury things. . .except when they don't.

Ordered a book back in January, arrived today.

150 Years of the Kentucky Derby
Through the Lens and Voice of the Courier Journal

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Just making my way thru it now, but I've seen enough to recommend it.

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