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She has had colic quite a few times and Jane Lyon doesn't want to put her through more stress. She was pensioned after having her 2019 colt, Tattered Flag.BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:19 pm I wonder why Careless Jewel is retired from breeding? She's only 16.
That makes sense. Colic in a pregnant/just foaled mare can be deadly.Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:07 pm
can't say for sure as i can't open the article (unavailable in my country) but there should be something about that here https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xp ... story.htmlMissbeholder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:04 pmWasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:07 pm
i thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.Missbeholder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:04 pmWasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:07 pm
That sounds about right to me, now that you say it. I think that is what I'm remembering........that she had problems with recurring laminitis.sweettalk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:18 pmi thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.Missbeholder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:04 pmWasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.BaroqueAgain1 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 2:07 pm
Her other GI winner, the Seattle Slew mare Honest Lady, apparently died at Juddmonte Farms in 2019. Again, thats from the comments in PQ. It didn't give a cause of death, but she was 23 years old.CorridorZ75 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:32 pm For all the good genes Toussaud put in her foals, Empire Maker and Chester House both died from rare diseases. Chiselling apparently was diagnosed with EPM, though that is sometimes a diagnosis of exclusion, especially the further back you go, and Decarchy inherited the bad feet as he also died from complications of laminitis. Not sure about her other foals.
*high five* we figured it out! i didn't think to check PQ (which, yeah is iffy sometimes, but sometimes it's solid)Missbeholder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:49 pmThat sounds about right to me, now that you say it. I think that is what I'm remembering........that she had problems with recurring laminitis.sweettalk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:18 pmi thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.Missbeholder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:04 pm
Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.
Just in: I just checked PQ (not 100% reliable), and there's a line in the comments section on her that she was pensioned from broodmare duties in 2007 "due to laminitis". So that answers that, I guess!
my heart breaks when i see/hear his name, even today
Yes, that was a tragic loss for Juddmonte. You know, he died in June, 2003, just after Empire Maker won the Belmont. I have always had the feeling that, if that hadn't happened and Chester House had lived, that the Prince wouldn't have retired Empire Maker after his 3yo season. I think he really wanted to run him as a 4yo, but after losing Chester House so suddenly, Empire Maker's services in the shed were needed badly, especially because they were half-brothers out of his incredible blue hen mare!sweettalk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:13 am*high five* we figured it out! i didn't think to check PQ (which, yeah is iffy sometimes, but sometimes it's solid)Missbeholder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:49 pmThat sounds about right to me, now that you say it. I think that is what I'm remembering........that she had problems with recurring laminitis.
Just in: I just checked PQ (not 100% reliable), and there's a line in the comments section on her that she was pensioned from broodmare duties in 2007 "due to laminitis". So that answers that, I guess!my heart breaks when i see/hear his name, even today
Her owner Yusuke Yamaguchi has said today; ''Reframe, 4yo, will remain in training for another year before becoming a broodmare, because she is still improving. She will be pointed to the G3 Negishi Stakes 1400m dirt at Tokyo on Jan 30th.''
