American Pharoah x Careless Jewel filly freaks

[Starine]

Thanks. Good job, Reframe!

[Flanders]

Missed this when it was posted. A photo of Reframe's dam, Careless Jewel, after Reframe won her stakes.

https://twitter.com/MoreSummerWind/stat ... 9873582080

[BaroqueAgain1]

I wonder why Careless Jewel is retired from breeding? She's only 16.

[Flanders]

I wonder why Careless Jewel is retired from breeding? She's only 16.

She has had colic quite a few times and Jane Lyon doesn't want to put her through more stress. She was pensioned after having her 2019 colt, Tattered Flag.

[BaroqueAgain1]

That makes sense. Colic in a pregnant/just foaled mare can be deadly.

[Missbeholder]

That makes sense. Colic in a pregnant/just foaled mare can be deadly.

Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.

[brunanas]

That makes sense. Colic in a pregnant/just foaled mare can be deadly.

Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.

can't say for sure as i can't open the article (unavailable in my country) but there should be something about that here https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xp ... story.html

[sweettalk]

That makes sense. Colic in a pregnant/just foaled mare can be deadly.

Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.

i thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.

[Missbeholder]

That makes sense. Colic in a pregnant/just foaled mare can be deadly.

Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.

i thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.

That sounds about right to me, now that you say it. I think that is what I'm remembering........that she had problems with recurring laminitis.

Just in: I just checked PQ (not 100% reliable), and there's a line in the comments section on her that she was pensioned from broodmare duties in 2007 "due to laminitis". So that answers that, I guess!

[CorridorZ75]

For all the good genes Toussaud put in her foals, Empire Maker and Chester House both died from rare diseases. Chiselling apparently was diagnosed with EPM, though that is sometimes a diagnosis of exclusion, especially the further back you go, and Decarchy inherited the bad feet as he also died from complications of laminitis. Not sure about her other foals.

[Missbeholder]

For all the good genes Toussaud put in her foals, Empire Maker and Chester House both died from rare diseases. Chiselling apparently was diagnosed with EPM, though that is sometimes a diagnosis of exclusion, especially the further back you go, and Decarchy inherited the bad feet as he also died from complications of laminitis. Not sure about her other foals.

Her other GI winner, the Seattle Slew mare Honest Lady, apparently died at Juddmonte Farms in 2019. Again, thats from the comments in PQ. It didn't give a cause of death, but she was 23 years old.

[sweettalk]

Wasn't that the reason, or one of them anyway, that Toussaud was never allowed to raise her own foals? I know she was a temperamental little "B", anyway, but think I remember reading that somewhere.

i thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.

That sounds about right to me, now that you say it. I think that is what I'm remembering........that she had problems with recurring laminitis.

Just in: I just checked PQ (not 100% reliable), and there's a line in the comments section on her that she was pensioned from broodmare duties in 2007 "due to laminitis". So that answers that, I guess!

*high five* we figured it out! i didn't think to check PQ (which, yeah is iffy sometimes, but sometimes it's solid)

Chester House

my heart breaks when i see/hear his name, even today

[Missbeholder]

i thought she was laminitic? which i don't think is a word. but it may have stemmed from colic? geez my memory is shot lol.

That sounds about right to me, now that you say it. I think that is what I'm remembering........that she had problems with recurring laminitis.

Just in: I just checked PQ (not 100% reliable), and there's a line in the comments section on her that she was pensioned from broodmare duties in 2007 "due to laminitis". So that answers that, I guess!

*high five* we figured it out! i didn't think to check PQ (which, yeah is iffy sometimes, but sometimes it's solid)

Chester House

my heart breaks when i see/hear his name, even today

Yes, that was a tragic loss for Juddmonte. You know, he died in June, 2003, just after Empire Maker won the Belmont. I have always had the feeling that, if that hadn't happened and Chester House had lived, that the Prince wouldn't have retired Empire Maker after his 3yo season. I think he really wanted to run him as a 4yo, but after losing Chester House so suddenly, Empire Maker's services in the shed were needed badly, especially because they were half-brothers out of his incredible blue hen mare!

I don't have any factual support for this opinion. It's just a hunch I've had for almost 20 years now!

[tachyon]

Reframe claimed her first victory on dirt impressively in the Cold Moon Stakes (open-class) 1400m dirt at Chukyo on Dec 18th 2022!!!!!

[tachyon]

-- replay of the Cold Moon Stakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCajcQS145k

[Diver52]

Nice! It looked as though she would be caught but then she found more--a lot more!

[tachyon]

Nice! It looked as though she would be caught but then she found more--a lot more!

Her owner Yusuke Yamaguchi has said today; ''Reframe, 4yo, will remain in training for another year before becoming a broodmare, because she is still improving. She will be pointed to the G3 Negishi Stakes 1400m dirt at Tokyo on Jan 30th.''




Reframe(USA)
https://www.jbis.jp/horse/0001317590/
16-6-1-1

[Starine]

Go, Reframe! She was much the best.

[SukiSatsuki]

Wonder who she’ll be bred to? Maybe the biscuits

[tachyon]

After Reframe developed neck pain, her owner Yusuke Yamaguchi announced that she retired from racing to be a broodmare.

https://twitter.com/yamaguchistable/sta ... 7667441665

https://twitter.com/yamaguchistable/sta ... 9982737408

Get well soon, Reframe.