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Steve Zorn, based in NY, is very savvy about the business of racing, especially in NY. Perturbed by recent events involving Jacobson in particular, he did some investigating and discovered that the Jacobson-Drawing Away Stable partnership arrangement is such that Jacobson actually often profits from those seemingly nonsensical claim drops and frequent racing. Specifically, he does not get a day rate from DAS, instead he gets as much as 65% of any purse. Nothing illegal about this, BTW.

Steve also writes more broadly about the issue of TB aftercare and the problems his partnership has encountered trying to track former horses.

http://businessofracing.blogspot.com/

second_glance wrote:Steve Zorn, based in NY, is very savvy about the business of racing, especially in NY. Perturbed by recent events involving Jacobson in particular, he did some investigating and discovered that the Jacobson-Drawing Away Stable partnership arrangement is such that Jacobson actually often profits from those seemingly nonsensical claim drops and frequent racing. Specifically, he does not get a day rate from DAS, instead he gets as much as 65% of any purse. Nothing illegal about this, BTW.

Steve also writes more broadly about the issue of TB aftercare and the problems his partnership has encountered trying to track former horses.

http://businessofracing.blogspot.com/

Thanks so much for posting this s_g. Uncle Smokey's death was very upsetting at the time, and even more so after someone posted his recent race record. Now even more upsetting to read in this blog that "According to some who were at the track that day, Uncle Smokey was definitely sending signals that he didn't want to race".

second_glance wrote:Steve Zorn, based in NY, is very savvy about the business of racing, especially in NY. Perturbed by recent events involving Jacobson in particular, he did some investigating and discovered that the Jacobson-Drawing Away Stable partnership arrangement is such that Jacobson actually often profits from those seemingly nonsensical claim drops and frequent racing. Specifically, he does not get a day rate from DAS, instead he gets as much as 65% of any purse. Nothing illegal about this, BTW.

Steve also writes more broadly about the issue of TB aftercare and the problems his partnership has encountered trying to track former horses.

http://businessofracing.blogspot.com/

I think Drawing Away Stable IS David Jacobsen. IMO, whomever "allegedly comprise" Drawing Away Stable are likely phantom owners...on paper..relatives and "friends"of Jacobsen who get "some benefit"...maybe tax breaks or free parking and access to backstretch. Maybe some cash. Wasn't Jacobsen's father mob-connected? Either way, Jacobsen answers to no owner except himself.

Just shows what NYRA is all about. Dutrow who rarely had a horse breaksdown or NEVER founf for slaughter is banned becaude some politico on the NYRA committee hated him. Jacobsen who is the most amoral,immoral trainer of all merrily fills NYRA's races and destroys horses like there trash. At least Penn Nat'l got rid of Gill. NYRA...perceives themselves at as premier track... only once you scrape the surface NYRA is as rancid and rotten as that qtr horse track in New Mexico.

8596wool wrote:

second_glance wrote:Steve Zorn, based in NY, is very savvy about the business of racing, especially in NY. Perturbed by recent events involving Jacobson in particular, he did some investigating and discovered that the Jacobson-Drawing Away Stable partnership arrangement is such that Jacobson actually often profits from those seemingly nonsensical claim drops and frequent racing. Specifically, he does not get a day rate from DAS, instead he gets as much as 65% of any purse. Nothing illegal about this, BTW.

Steve also writes more broadly about the issue of TB aftercare and the problems his partnership has encountered trying to track former horses.

http://businessofracing.blogspot.com/

I think Drawing Away Stable IS David Jacobsen. IMO, whomever "allegedly comprise" Drawing Away Stable are likely phantom owners...on paper..relatives and "friends"of Jacobsen who get "some benefit"...maybe tax breaks or free parking and access to backstretch. Maybe some cash. Wasn't Jacobsen's father mob-connected? Either way, Jacobsen answers to no owner except himself.

Just shows what NYRA is all about. Dutrow who rarely had a horse breaksdown or NEVER founf for slaughter is banned becaude some politico on the NYRA committee hated him. Jacobsen who is the most amoral,immoral trainer of all merrily fills NYRA's races and destroys horses like there trash. At least Penn Nat'l got rid of Gill. NYRA...perceives themselves at as premier track... only once you scrape the surface NYRA is as rancid and rotten as that qtr horse track in New Mexico.

No, I'm pretty sure the stable is real enough. Various members are on FB; many seem to be pretty serious bettors. Some are speaking up in his defense, many are quiet. What does often happen is that Jacobson is a co-owner with DAS. Anyway, I don't really see why he'd need a paper partnership, if he's not charging a day rate.

You're right. Just looked at the facebook page. Now I got it. The DAS syndicate is a low-end operation...for ex.,$500.00 you can say "you own a racehorse". Jacobsen has "50 syndicate owners of one horse".

I became physically ill looking at those DAS racers...many who are now dead,

8596wool wrote:You're right. Just looked at the facebook page. Now I got it. The DAS syndicate is a low-end operation...for ex.,$500.00 you can say "you own a racehorse". Jacobsen has "50 syndicate owners of one horse".

I became physically ill looking at those DAS racers...many who are now dead,

Wish I had the time to do with his operation as I once did with Michael Gill's -- follow every horse, including the first couple of starts for horses claimed away from Gill, as well as noting horses that had to go off track for some time after being claimed from him. My impression is that Jacobson doesn't have a breakdown rate noticeably higher than other trainers running claiming horses, but there may be a statistically significant number of horses that break down rather soon after leaving his stable.

Jacobsen runs the most horses of any trainer at nyra. So, statistically he probably has a breakdown rate comparable to the rest of the claiming trainers. Doesn't tell the Jacobsen story accurately as you know. He sends the "walking dead" to the hinterlands to die if they make it around the track in their last race for him....

Jacobsen's wining rate was 25% before monitors and cameras were in his barn last spring for 30 days....and 4% after. That is FACT. Jacobsen and NYRA made a deal...Jacobsen would fill those claiming races at NYRA and (win them all) and nyra stayed out of his way after they found " no wrongdoing after the 30day surveilance of Jacobsen's barn(s). Those new nyra execs are so far removed from the actual racing event ...they are likely incompetent in this area.

The reputable ny trainers( an oxymoron?) go to FL in the winter and form "committees" to study how to retrain race horses.
They must "suspect" Jacobsen is running those poor horses on more than 'hay,oats and water. Jacobsen routinely races his stock back on 3/4/5 days between races, drops them to win and so on till they literally drop dead.

I handicap(ed) and (used to) bet nyra almost daily for the past 15 years. I have been "watching" DAS since Jacobsen got back from his 25 year ban...so this expose on the Toque tale is par for Jacobsen. My pals at my local OTB know "I NEVER bet a Jacobsen horse...that is why I'll never be a "successful" handicapper...

NYRA looked the other way when Paragallo's horses were found on slaughter trucks and auctions. Looked the other way when Paragallo's farm was seized by authorities . Only banned Paragallo was he was indicted by a Columbia County grand jury. Looks like Jacobson is fire-proof at NYRA. Must have "pictures" of someone.

second_glance wrote:

8596wool wrote:You're right. Just looked at the facebook page. Now I got it. The DAS syndicate is a low-end operation...for ex.,$500.00 you can say "you own a racehorse". Jacobsen has "50 syndicate owners of one horse".

I became physically ill looking at those DAS racers...many who are now dead,

Wish I had the time to do with his operation as I once did with Michael Gill's -- follow every horse, including the first couple of starts for horses claimed away from Gill, as well as noting horses that had to go off track for some time after being claimed from him. My impression is that Jacobson doesn't have a breakdown rate noticeably higher than other trainers running claiming horses, but there may be a statistically significant number of horses that break down rather soon after leaving his stable.

Wish I had more time too, but I do have some of his claimers in my stable, such as Be Bullish 9 year old gelding he's claimed more than once. Today I added Birdsofafeather, 3 year old filly with 3 starts that he claimed today from Jason Servis.

I don't know about his breakdown rate compared to other claiming trainers, but looking at the NYS incident database, there's a lot of deaths under his watch since 2009. There used to be someone on the web who kept track of these stats by trainer. I'll google a bit and see if it's still active and I can find it. http://breakdown.gaming.ny.gov/searchbr ... ?ID=142912

Thanks for the info, 8596wool. I too am concerned.

Granted, this horse has a lot of issues and layoff lines- but Grand Rapport was a gate scratch yesterday as the favorite in race 1, and he just raced a week before that. Vet/Jock must have seen/felt something was amiss- I'm going to keep more of an eye out on these runners, thanks for the heads up.

second_glance wrote:

8596wool wrote:You're right. Just looked at the facebook page. Now I got it. The DAS syndicate is a low-end operation...for ex.,$500.00 you can say "you own a racehorse". Jacobsen has "50 syndicate owners of one horse".

I became physically ill looking at those DAS racers...many who are now dead,

Wish I had the time to do with his operation as I once did with Michael Gill's -- follow every horse, including the first couple of starts for horses claimed away from Gill, as well as noting horses that had to go off track for some time after being claimed from him. My impression is that Jacobson doesn't have a breakdown rate noticeably higher than other trainers running claiming horses, but there may be a statistically significant number of horses that break down rather soon after leaving his stable.

Would it help if I were to assemble (from Equibase) a list of his entries/runners/race dates/tracks/results, and who claimed the horses away from him? Collecting this going forward shouldn't be that involved. Going back would be another matter. I could probably devote an hour a day to the project, discounting the few occasions of longer out-of-town trips.

serenassong wrote:Granted, this horse has a lot of issues and layoff lines- but Grand Rapport was a gate scratch yesterday as the favorite in race 1, and he just raced a week before that. Vet/Jock must have seen/felt something was amiss- I'm going to keep more of an eye out on these runners, thanks for the heads up.

I also saw this and am hoping that the vets are taking a closer look at theses horses - especially those that are running back in a short period of time...

8596wool wrote:Jacobsen runs the most horses of any trainer at nyra. So, statistically he probably has a breakdown rate comparable to the rest of the claiming trainers. Doesn't tell the Jacobsen story accurately as you know. He sends the "walking dead" to the hinterlands to die if they make it around the track in their last race for him....

Jacobsen's wining rate was 25% before monitors and cameras were in his barn last spring for 30 days....and 4% after. That is FACT. Jacobsen and NYRA made a deal...Jacobsen would fill those claiming races at NYRA and (win them all) and nyra stayed out of his way after they found " no wrongdoing after the 30day surveilance of Jacobsen's barn(s). Those new nyra execs are so far removed from the actual racing event ...they are likely incompetent in this area.

The reputable ny trainers( an oxymoron?) go to FL in the winter and form "committees" to study how to retrain race horses.
They must "suspect" Jacobsen is running those poor horses on more than 'hay,oats and water. Jacobsen routinely races his stock back on 3/4/5 days between races, drops them to win and so on till they literally drop dead.

I handicap(ed) and (used to) bet nyra almost daily for the past 15 years. I have been "watching" DAS since Jacobsen got back from his 25 year ban...so this expose on the Toque tale is par for Jacobsen. My pals at my local OTB know "I NEVER bet a Jacobsen horse...that is why I'll never be a "successful" handicapper...

NYRA looked the other way when Paragallo's horses were found on slaughter trucks and auctions. Looked the other way when Paragallo's farm was seized by authorities . Only banned Paragallo was he was indicted by a Columbia County grand jury. Looks like Jacobson is fire-proof at NYRA. Must have "pictures" of someone.

8596wool - A group of friends and I have been following this on Facebook in a private group that we have for racing. As I'm the only one on TBC I was hoping that I could copy this post, with your permission, to our group?

Keep an eye on El Oh El...the Jacobson-trained colt just won the 3rd at Aqueduct, a 1 mile $20,000 claiming. It was the colt's 4th start in 20 days, 2nd win. And according to the TVG guys, he's back in a 6f race on Sunday.
Maybe he got claimed away from Jacobson today and his new connections will back off on him?
One can hope.

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Keep an eye on El Oh El...the Jacobson-trained colt just won the 3rd at Aqueduct, a 1 mile $20,000 claiming. It was the colt's 4th start in 20 days, 2nd win. And according to the TVG guys, he's back in a 6f race on Sunday.
Maybe he got claimed away from Jacobson today and his new connections will back off on him?
One can hope.

I was just coming to post this. It was also his 8th start in 13 weeks and ran just 5 days ago on the 5th. Agree - so hoping he was claimed...
ETA: Not claimed - darn...

NYRA has investigated the Toque situation -- and cleared Jacobson.

http://www.drf.com/news/jacobson-absolv ... ghterhouse

second_glance wrote:NYRA has investigated the Toque situation -- and cleared Jacobson.

http://www.drf.com/news/jacobson-absolv ... ghterhouse

Is it just me, or does this whole article seem... peculiar? Toque was rescued out of a slaughterhouse in New Holland? What I heard previously was that Toque had been found at the New Holland auction, and was later adopted (or sold) via AC4H. Not sure who owned him, coming out of the New Holland auction, but if I recall, AC4H largely deals in brokering "adoptions" (sales?) of broker-owned horses.

And what's with Toque ending up at Mill Ridge Farm in Calverton NY which is owned by Robin Gibbs? Mill Ridge Farm, in racing circles, would be the home of La Ville Rouge, and is a totally different place. What Robin Gibbs seems to own is something called Mil-Ridge Farm.

Catalina wrote:

second_glance wrote:NYRA has investigated the Toque situation -- and cleared Jacobson.

http://www.drf.com/news/jacobson-absolv ... ghterhouse

Is it just me, or does this whole article seem... peculiar? Toque was rescued out of a slaughterhouse in New Holland? What I heard previously was that Toque had been found at the New Holland auction, and was later adopted (or sold) via AC4H. Not sure who owned him, coming out of the New Holland auction, but if I recall, AC4H largely deals in brokering "adoptions" (sales?) of broker-owned horses.

And what's with Toque ending up at Mill Ridge Farm in Calverton NY which is owned by Robin Gibbs? Mill Ridge Farm, in racing circles, would be the home of La Ville Rouge, and is a totally different place. What Robin Gibbs seems to own is something called Mil-Ridge Farm.

I have a lot of respect for David Grening and was shocked by the sloppiness in this article. But I think he is out of his knowledge range with "aftercare" issues. I posted in the Comments on the slaughterhouse thing and also mentioned what you reported about the name of the farm.

I also suggested that Jacobson could do himself a world of good by making public a list of all those horses he claims to have retired, and to where/whom they went.

Jacobson has 5 horses running today at Aqueduct:
Alpaca Fina - Ruthless Stakes - owned by Drawing Away Stable (DAS) - finished 3rd
Lincoln Flyer - race 4 Maiden Claiming - owned by DAS & Jacobson - finished 7th
Make a Fortune - race 5 Claiming - owned by Lawrence P. Roman - finished 6th/last - claimed by Eddit Keneally
Pass the Tap - race 8 Allowance - owned by DAS & Jacobson - finished 2nd but vanned off
St. Sincere - race 9 Claiming - owned by DAS & Jacobson - finished 4th

Claimed today:
Washington Rules (08g) Roman Ruler x Petite Charm (Silver Charm) - won race 1 - claimed from James Ricco - new owner DAS & Jacobson
Reserved Quality (09h) Elusive Quality x Ed's Holy Cow (Bet Big) - won race 7 - claimed from Treadway Racing Stable - new owner DAS & Jacobson

Lakeway wrote:Jacobson has 5 horses running today at Aqueduct:
Alpaca Fina - Ruthless Stakes - owned by Drawing Away Stable (DAS) - finished 3rd
Lincoln Flyer - race 4 Maiden Claiming - owned by DAS & Jacobson - finished 7th
Make a Fortune - race 5 Claiming - owned by Lawrence P. Roman - finished 6th/last - claimed by Eddit Keneally
Pass the Tap - race 8 Allowance - owned by DAS & Jacobson - finished 2nd but vanned off
St. Sincere - race 9 Claiming - owned by DAS & Jacobson - finished 4th

Claimed today:
Washington Rules (08g) Roman Ruler x Petite Charm (Silver Charm) - won race 1 - claimed from James Ricco - new owner DAS & Jacobson
Reserved Quality (09h) Elusive Quality x Ed's Holy Cow (Bet Big) - won race 7 - claimed from Treadway Racing Stable - new owner DAS & Jacobson

And is entered for the 18th, Reserved Quality is.

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